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Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Ok, so because your job is crappy, although highly paid, that means that teachers should be expected to devote all their waking hours to work?

Read. PP is referring to non-lawyer jobs in law firms. PP is saying that those jobs don’t make much more than teachers to offset the expectation of many more hours worked.

Newish teachers are often making $60,000/year and sometimes much more, working 10 or 11 months per year (so that annualizes closer to $70,000). Most people making that kind of money in the private sector have much higher expectations placed on them.

These complainer PPs remind me of a teacher poster in another thread who was talking about how she has to stay until 6pm sometimes. Lol

Ok go away. You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

No. You can “go away” or make a reasonable argument. First year teachers with zero experience in FCPS start at $50,000-$55,000. More in Loudoun and Arlington. Newish teachers are easily close to $60,000. They only work 194 days per year.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it really your personal time? I don’t think teachers workday is done at the ringing of the last bell.

Teachers have contract hours. At my school it's 8:30-4. The kids are all gone by 4 and so are most of the teachers, and although some stay longer to finish stuff I'd say more arrive early, before contract hours, but not all do. Some work just the contract hours, some work extra hours without extra pay.

So school ends at 3 and kids come back at 4 for help. No they ask for help after school and the teacher is on the clock.

Plus 8:30-4 is only 7.5 hrs.

No I am not on the clock at that time. I have to say your attitude is supremely selfish.

What are your hours? How many planning times do you have a week vs actual work hours, plus lunch.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that the hours that a teacher needs to put in to do their job (excluding working with kids after school) far exceeds any planning time they get? Do you think teachers are just making this up. If I got adequate planning time. I would not need to spend 30 hours a week beyond contract hours doing work. The problem with teaching is that it’s actually two jobs treated as if it is one.

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Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

“Even an elementary teacher.”

Oh honey. You have zero idea what my job entails. But you’re cute.

Oh hon I don’t but I do know elementary get less free and planning periods than middle and hs.

Op here. I currently teach middle school, but used to teach elementary, and I will say that the hours elementary teachers need to put in is even worse. The pp who said “even elementary teachers” is clueless. the
workload for elementary teachers is unreal.

You are miss reading. They are saying even elementary stay to help ... because they have less planning time.

They do have less planning time. But administration feels the need to take at least half of our planning time away for meetings. The planning time really isn’t much. I generally don’t get any of my real planning done. My main goal for planning time is to use the bathroom, and get copies made.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it really your personal time? I don’t think teachers workday is done at the ringing of the last bell.

Teachers have contract hours. At my school it's 8:30-4. The kids are all gone by 4 and so are most of the teachers, and although some stay longer to finish stuff I'd say more arrive early, before contract hours, but not all do. Some work just the contract hours, some work extra hours without extra pay.

So school ends at 3 and kids come back at 4 for help. No they ask for help after school and the teacher is on the clock.

Plus 8:30-4 is only 7.5 hrs.

No I am not on the clock at that time. I have to say your attitude is supremely selfish.

What are your hours? How many planning times do you have a week vs actual work hours, plus lunch.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

“Even an elementary teacher.”

Oh honey. You have zero idea what my job entails. But you’re cute.

Oh hon I don’t but I do know elementary get less free and planning periods than middle and hs.

Op here. I currently teach middle school, but used to teach elementary, and I will say that the hours elementary teachers need to put in is even worse. The pp who said “even elementary teachers” is clueless. the
workload for elementary teachers is unreal.

You are miss reading. They are saying even elementary stay to help ... because they have less planning time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

“Even an elementary teacher.”

Oh honey. You have zero idea what my job entails. But you’re cute.

Oh hon I don’t but I do know elementary get less free and planning periods than middle and hs.

Op here. I currently teach middle school, but used to teach elementary, and I will say that the hours elementary teachers need to put in is even worse. The pp who said “even elementary teachers” is clueless. the
workload for elementary teachers is unreal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it really your personal time? I don’t think teachers workday is done at the ringing of the last bell.

Teachers have contract hours. At my school it's 8:30-4. The kids are all gone by 4 and so are most of the teachers, and although some stay longer to finish stuff I'd say more arrive early, before contract hours, but not all do. Some work just the contract hours, some work extra hours without extra pay.

So school ends at 3 and kids come back at 4 for help. No they ask for help after school and the teacher is on the clock.

Plus 8:30-4 is only 7.5 hrs.

No I am not on the clock at that time. I have to say your attitude is supremely selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

I feel your comparison is off; being asked to reteach a student that didn't put in the initial effort is like being asked to represent a client who no shows at a hearing AND ALSO doesn't pay you. Do you continue working for that client for free, especially when the client refuses to take your legal advice?

OP did not say the kid did not put in the initial effort. The job requires hours beyond the contract hours. Is this news to anyone, teacher or not? It does sound like a bad fit for OP.

. But there is a certain amount that is not reasonable. And what teachers are expected to put in is beyond reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

Of course I could “find time” and I do. It’s just that time is my unpaid for personal time and I’m resentful of people simply treating it like an expectation. I would bet a great many teachers at your school who do it aren’t happy about it as well.

I disagree ... I also doubt you worked a full 8.5 hours like most govt workers and I think you have planning time during the day.

Unless you are a 1st year teacher I think your overstating.

My little bit of planning time gets largely eaten up by meetings, or waiting in line for the one copier in the school that teachers are allowed to use. The problem with teaching is that your contract hours are only show time. All the work that makes that show happen, occurs during a teachers non contract hours, and that can easily be a full time job as well, plus teachers are expected to attend evening school events, sponsor clubs, serve on school committees. All of this occurs under non contract hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

I feel your comparison is off; being asked to reteach a student that didn't put in the initial effort is like being asked to represent a client who no shows at a hearing AND ALSO doesn't pay you. Do you continue working for that client for free, especially when the client refuses to take your legal advice?

OP did not say the kid did not put in the initial effort. The job requires hours beyond the contract hours. Is this news to anyone, teacher or not? It does sound like a bad fit for OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it really your personal time? I don’t think teachers workday is done at the ringing of the last bell.

Teachers have contract hours. At my school it's 8:30-4. The kids are all gone by 4 and so are most of the teachers, and although some stay longer to finish stuff I'd say more arrive early, before contract hours, but not all do. Some work just the contract hours, some work extra hours without extra pay.

So school ends at 3 and kids come back at 4 for help. No they ask for help after school and the teacher is on the clock.

Plus 8:30-4 is only 7.5 hrs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

“Even an elementary teacher.”

Oh honey. You have zero idea what my job entails. But you’re cute.

Oh hon I don’t but I do know elementary get less free and planning periods than middle and hs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our teachers are always available after school to help kids in middle school and high school. Even an elementary teacher could find some time at the end of the day to help some students. Maybe you should ask for a mentor and see what’s up.

Of course I could “find time” and I do. It’s just that time is my unpaid for personal time and I’m resentful of people simply treating it like an expectation. I would bet a great many teachers at your school who do it aren’t happy about it as well.

I disagree ... I also doubt you worked a full 8.5 hours like most govt workers and I think you have planning time during the day.

Unless you are a 1st year teacher I think your overstating.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Ok, so because your job is crappy, although highly paid, that means that teachers should be expected to devote all their waking hours to work?

Read. PP is referring to non-lawyer jobs in law firms. PP is saying that those jobs don’t make much more than teachers to offset the expectation of many more hours worked.

Newish teachers are often making $60,000/year and sometimes much more, working 10 or 11 months per year (so that annualizes closer to $70,000). Most people making that kind of money in the private sector have much higher expectations placed on them.

These complainer PPs remind me of a teacher poster in another thread who was talking about how she has to stay until 6pm sometimes. Lol

Ok go away. You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Yes, we heard you the first ten times.