Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yet, despite only taking families who enter a lottery, and having all the advantages you mentioned, and an easier time kicking kids out, the charter schools you mentioned aren't that different in terms of test scores.

White kids do the best at SH, then DCI, then Latin.

Black kids do the best in DCI, then Latin, then SH.

Latino it's SH, Latin, DCI.

At risk it's SH and DCI, with Latin worse.

In all of these, the differences are somewhat negligible. Clearly if you want language immersion DCI makes sense and if you want to avoid Eastern and don't think your kid will make it into a selective DCPS it feels good to be done through 12th grade with Latin (though in that scenario does your kid really need advanced middle school classes?). But test score wise, there's really no argument that your kid will have a significantly stronger middle school cohort at DCI or Latin than SH. Richer? Whiter? yeah. But academically pretty similar.

What are you taking about? No, it’s not negligible. Look at the PARCC scores from above posters and ELA there is 11-12% difference and math 100%. That’s huge. There are no scores we can see with social studies, science, languages, writing, etc...

You think just comparing ELA works for middle school? I won’t even begin to discuss behavior issues, teachers expectations, curriculum, etc...

Huge difference between the 3.

Do Deal and Hardy have tracked science and social studies classes? I get that BASIS creates cohorts by weeding out kids who can't handle the work, and Latin is small, and sufficiently UMC/white for those parents to think they are leveled cohorts. But DCPS to DCPS?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, when you have favorable school demographics, you essentially have honors classes.

Not having honors classes in "neighborhood schools" is obviously a much bigger problem in this city where most students are low SES than in schools where most are high SES.

Then say what you mean. Objections to SH or EH or Jefferson are not about the lack of honors classes but rather about disadvantaged kids.

Good for you, 2nd PP, for calling bullsht on this. Educated Cap Hill parents have been whining about needing an invitation-only school-within-a-school for at least a decade.

It’s astonishing to watch, as an outsider (but with kids in DCPS.) You just KNOW that a majority of this Cap Hill parent crowd identifies as liberal Dems working in politics/policy. Yet here they are, advocating for segregated public facilities

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, when you have favorable school demographics, you essentially have honors classes.

Not having honors classes in "neighborhood schools" is obviously a much bigger problem in this city where most students are low SES than in schools where most are high SES.

Then say what you mean. Objections to SH or EH or Jefferson are not about the lack of honors classes but rather about disadvantaged kids.

Good for you, 2nd PP, for calling bullsht on this. Educated Cap Hill parents have been whining about needing an invitation-only school-within-a-school for at least a decade.

It’s astonishing to watch, as an outsider (but with kids in DCPS.) You just KNOW that a majority of this Cap Hill parent crowd identifies as liberal Dems working in politics/policy. Yet here they are, advocating for segregated public facilities

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, when you have favorable school demographics, you essentially have honors classes.

Not having honors classes in "neighborhood schools" is obviously a much bigger problem in this city where most students are low SES than in schools where most are high SES.

Then say what you mean. Objections to SH or EH or Jefferson are not about the lack of honors classes but rather about disadvantaged kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, when you have favorable school demographics, you essentially have honors classes.

Not having honors classes in "neighborhood schools" is obviously a much bigger problem in this city where most students are low SES than in schools where most are high SES.

Then say what you mean. Objections to SH or EH or Jefferson are not about the lack of honors classes but rather about disadvantaged kids.

This what you're saying, not me.

I was a disadvantaged kid growing up, in NYC. Even so, I had access to stellar GT programs in the public school system from 3rd grade on up. As an adult, I became a government lawyer.

My objections to the way SH, EH and JA work are in fact about the lack of honors classes, particularly for disadvantaged kids who could and would do the work in such classes, with the right supports. The tyranny of low expectations still has a firm grip on DCPS.