Anonymous
04/30/2021 13:43
Subject: Re:Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Tesla model Y (SUV style) is now about $50K. We have ordered ours (and it looks like a lot of folks in our NW DC neighborhood already have one). It has range of a little over 300. As I understand it, the advantage of buying a Tesla right now is that beyond the car itself, Teslas can charge on almost all chargers but only Teslas can charge on Tesla superchargers. So the ability to use the fast chargers on a road trip is a big advantage. That might change in the future, but right now Tesla is dominant for charging on the road.
We're thinking of buying a non-Tesla EV and just took a road trip in our gas car up I-95 -- we were paying pretty close attention to the EV charging infrastructure because we wondered about doing the trip with the new car. There were non-Tesla fast charging options at all but one of the rest stops we used for gas and/or bathroom breaks (and that one was about 15 miles from another one that did have a non-Tesla charging station).
I don't know what Tesla's price to use their stations is if you have one of their cars, so maybe that's an advantage if it's free or heavily discounted compared to one of the other networks. But I didn't see any particular reason to worry about availability of non-Tesla fast charging, at least between here and New York.
This. If you look, there are pretty adequate chargers around for non-Teslas, and obviously proliferating more by the day. Tesla owners only know the Tesla network, and that's understandable: they have no reason to know or look into the availability of non-Tesla chargers.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 16:21
Subject: Re:Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:The Tesla model Y (SUV style) is now about $50K. We have ordered ours (and it looks like a lot of folks in our NW DC neighborhood already have one). It has range of a little over 300. As I understand it, the advantage of buying a Tesla right now is that beyond the car itself, Teslas can charge on almost all chargers but only Teslas can charge on Tesla superchargers. So the ability to use the fast chargers on a road trip is a big advantage. That might change in the future, but right now Tesla is dominant for charging on the road.
We're thinking of buying a non-Tesla EV and just took a road trip in our gas car up I-95 -- we were paying pretty close attention to the EV charging infrastructure because we wondered about doing the trip with the new car. There were non-Tesla fast charging options at all but one of the rest stops we used for gas and/or bathroom breaks (and that one was about 15 miles from another one that did have a non-Tesla charging station).
I don't know what Tesla's price to use their stations is if you have one of their cars, so maybe that's an advantage if it's free or heavily discounted compared to one of the other networks. But I didn't see any particular reason to worry about availability of non-Tesla fast charging, at least between here and New York.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 13:12
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
I do like the look of the etron.
Tesla’s charging network for road trips is better now but the growth in non-Tesla chargers is huge and I don’t see Tesla having a significant advantage there for too much longer.
Tesla used to sell a $400 chademo adapter, which is the least common charging standard. They sell a ccs adapter in Europe but I don’t think they’ve brought it here yet.
Tesla’s charging network for road trips is better now but the growth in non-Tesla chargers is huge and I don’t see Tesla having a significant advantage there for too much longer.
Tesla used to sell a $400 chademo adapter, which is the least common charging standard. They sell a ccs adapter in Europe but I don’t think they’ve brought it here yet.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 13:05
Subject: Re:Electric - Which - Not Tesla
The Tesla model Y (SUV style) is now about $50K. We have ordered ours (and it looks like a lot of folks in our NW DC neighborhood already have one). It has range of a little over 300. As I understand it, the advantage of buying a Tesla right now is that beyond the car itself, Teslas can charge on almost all chargers but only Teslas can charge on Tesla superchargers. So the ability to use the fast chargers on a road trip is a big advantage. That might change in the future, but right now Tesla is dominant for charging on the road.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 12:54
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:I like the etron a lot but the range just wasn't there when we were looking, so we went with the tesla.
We need something for the dogs and third row seating, though, so we pre-ordered this, delivery late summer.
https://rivian.com/r1s
Looking at that. Although honestly we have never owned cars above 25K! I wish my car wasn't quite so old (9 years). I feel like the market will be so much better for electric in 3-4 years but I can't wait that long. I do suppose I don't have to keep my next car for 10 years, as I usually do though.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 12:51
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
I like the etron a lot but the range just wasn't there when we were looking, so we went with the tesla.
We need something for the dogs and third row seating, though, so we pre-ordered this, delivery late summer.
https://rivian.com/r1s
We need something for the dogs and third row seating, though, so we pre-ordered this, delivery late summer.
https://rivian.com/r1s
Anonymous
04/29/2021 12:45
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Tesla. Just bite the bullet and get it. You know you want it
This. This is the only option, OP. And you know it. You know you want one. Every other e-car only wishes it was the Tesla.
There are about 40 electric vehicles in the manufacturing pipeline that you will see in the next 5 years, some as soon as this model year. I can assure you that they don’t all wish they were Tesla. There are some really nice looking (and well engineered) cars on the way!
Tesla = iPhone. Everything else = Android. Do you really want green texts?
That Etron from Audi is sexy AF compared to the Tesla. I'll take a dirty green text vs. the basic beige Becky calling me any day of the week
Anonymous
04/29/2021 12:34
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The new Porsche looks nice.
Drove it last week. It was meh. Super fast and lots of electronic gadgets but didn't feel like a porsche. The charging network was non-existent. Not worth the 100k price tag.
I wouldn't buy a $100,000 car of any kind, but you don't need to use a specific charging network for this one -- you can't use the Tesla Superchargers, but you can use anything else (ChargePoint, EV Go, etc., plus the Electrify America one that's connected to VW).
Which are slow, more expensive, and harder to find.
OK, so then get a Tesla.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:38
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The new Porsche looks nice.
Drove it last week. It was meh. Super fast and lots of electronic gadgets but didn't feel like a porsche. The charging network was non-existent. Not worth the 100k price tag.
I wouldn't buy a $100,000 car of any kind, but you don't need to use a specific charging network for this one -- you can't use the Tesla Superchargers, but you can use anything else (ChargePoint, EV Go, etc., plus the Electrify America one that's connected to VW).
Which are slow, more expensive, and harder to find.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:37
Subject: Re:Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not your father’s Tesla.
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LOL, the Taycan?
You're right it's not a Tesla. It's slower, has less range, and is significantly more expensive than even the highest priced Tesla!
But it looks sweet! Honestly, if you’re driving a Tesla, it’s mostly for appearances anyway, so why not do it in a car that actually looks good? I find nothing special about the styling of any of the Teslas, and some of them are just plain ugly.
Why would you say that? Literally no one I know got a Tesla for appearances.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:32
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The new Porsche looks nice.
Drove it last week. It was meh. Super fast and lots of electronic gadgets but didn't feel like a porsche. The charging network was non-existent. Not worth the 100k price tag.
I wouldn't buy a $100,000 car of any kind, but you don't need to use a specific charging network for this one -- you can't use the Tesla Superchargers, but you can use anything else (ChargePoint, EV Go, etc., plus the Electrify America one that's connected to VW).
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:30
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The VW ID.4 is on the way here and has gotten mostly good reviews, especially for people who don't currently drive EVs. Also Audi's e-Tron Q4, based on the same platform, will be out later this year.
I was the previous poster who drove the porsche and didn't like it. Haven't driven the VW but the charging network for the VW is the same as for the porsche. Apparently they were required to install the network as part of the diesel emission scandal settlement. I can't imagine that VW will continue to push that forward if it was part of a settlement. We could only find one nearby (AA county) when looking while test driving.
There's one at the Walmart on Georgia Avenue, plus one in Arlington and one in Tysons. Full map here: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locate-charger/?search=20007
They had to create the company that runs that network as a result of the settlement, but it's a separate business now and will make money from people charging (the VWs get three years of free use of that network, but not sure if the Audi and Porsche using the same platform will, and they're open to other EV drivers, too). So I wouldn't be too worried that they're going to drop it just because it was originally part of the settlement.
The charging network is really only likely to be an issue on road trips, anyway, though -- most people with EVs get charging stations at home so they can charge there.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 09:36
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:The VW ID.4 is on the way here and has gotten mostly good reviews, especially for people who don't currently drive EVs. Also Audi's e-Tron Q4, based on the same platform, will be out later this year.
I was the previous poster who drove the porsche and didn't like it. Haven't driven the VW but the charging network for the VW is the same as for the porsche. Apparently they were required to install the network as part of the diesel emission scandal settlement. I can't imagine that VW will continue to push that forward if it was part of a settlement. We could only find one nearby (AA county) when looking while test driving.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 09:33
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:The new Porsche looks nice.
Drove it last week. It was meh. Super fast and lots of electronic gadgets but didn't feel like a porsche. The charging network was non-existent. Not worth the 100k price tag.
Anonymous
04/28/2021 20:57
Subject: Electric - Which - Not Tesla
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Tesla. Just bite the bullet and get it. You know you want it
This. This is the only option, OP. And you know it. You know you want one. Every other e-car only wishes it was the Tesla.
There are about 40 electric vehicles in the manufacturing pipeline that you will see in the next 5 years, some as soon as this model year. I can assure you that they don’t all wish they were Tesla. There are some really nice looking (and well engineered) cars on the way!
Yah, but it’s not about the car - it’s about the infrastructure. The Tesla supercharger network is light years ahead. No other EV is really comparable.