Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

First of all, I'd like to see you pack in a 4-section 18" reflector telescope and mount, lolz! It's only about 200lbs!!

Second, I did plenty of "hiking" in AFG, while being mortared and shot at by cavemen. I was there because you were too chickenshit to be. You're welcome.

Third, the Dept of the Interior and the BLM, the agencies that manage the GWNF and every other NF, fully support and encourage off-road driving on existing backcountry OHV trails because doing so keeps those trails open and passable, which is vital for firefighting access in forest lands.



You really are just an ignorant toad. Devoid of facts, but eager to judge. So glad I don't associate with people like you IRL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a dad who is a car nut, I strongly encourage that you entertain the idea of getting a Jeep. While I would never buy one, because it doesn't suit my tastes, a Jeep is definitely among the selected group of vehicles that stirrs the soul and offers to its owner an experience that is more than mere transportation.

Maybe it is no longer popular to show desire towards a car, or it is not progressive enough to have general disdain for personal vehicles as a matter of environmentally friendly principles. But we are in a transitional period where one can still experience the rewards of owning a car that has a personality. We can still yet celebrate this culture before future generations grow increasingly detatched from it.

In this era of detatchment from nature and lack of first-hand experiences with genuine people, places, and things, owning a car such as a Jeep can help restore authenticity to the experience of growing up and traveling within this great nation of ours. A little adventure and excitement is good for any person on their way to a mature adult.

Daisy Duke drove a Jeep.
Sarah Connor drove a Jeep.
Barbie drove a Jeep.

You should try driving one....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

We do similar trips but we rent a 4WD since we don’t need it for our daily driver. Gas savings alone on our commute pays for rental.

Pretty sure OP DD isn’t camping in a national forest FYI. But enjoy them before they burn up I guess.

Instead of complaint about gas, why don't you not drive so much? If they are so terrible, why rent one? I fill my tank every 3 weeks... how much are you filling yours?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

Very well said. These gas guzzlers are literally burning the koalas alive. Vanity cars/trucks for insecure people.

Anonymous wrote:As a dad who is a car nut, I strongly encourage that you entertain the idea of getting a Jeep. While I would never buy one, because it doesn't suit my tastes, a Jeep is definitely among the selected group of vehicles that stirrs the soul and offers to its owner an experience that is more than mere transportation.

Maybe it is no longer popular to show desire towards a car, or it is not progressive enough to have general disdain for personal vehicles as a matter of environmentally friendly principles. But we are in a transitional period where one can still experience the rewards of owning a car that has a personality. We can still yet celebrate this culture before future generations grow increasingly detatched from it.

In this era of detatchment from nature and lack of first-hand experiences with genuine people, places, and things, owning a car such as a Jeep can help restore authenticity to the experience of growing up and traveling within this great nation of ours. A little adventure and excitement is good for any person on their way to a mature adult.

Daisy Duke drove a Jeep.
Sarah Connor drove a Jeep.
Barbie drove a Jeep.

Anonymous wrote:As a dad who is a car nut, I strongly encourage that you entertain the idea of getting a Jeep. While I would never buy one, because it doesn't suit my tastes, a Jeep is definitely among the selected group of vehicles that stirrs the soul and offers to its owner an experience that is more than mere transportation.

Maybe it is no longer popular to show desire towards a car, or it is not progressive enough to have general disdain for personal vehicles as a matter of environmentally friendly principles. But we are in a transitional period where one can still experience the rewards of owning a car that has a personality. We can still yet celebrate this culture before future generations grow increasingly detatched from it.

In this era of detatchment from nature and lack of first-hand experiences with genuine people, places, and things, owning a car such as a Jeep can help restore authenticity to the experience of growing up and traveling within this great nation of ours. A little adventure and excitement is good for any person on their way to a mature adult.

Daisy Duke drove a Jeep.
Sarah Connor drove a Jeep.
Barbie drove a Jeep.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

Anonymous wrote:Jeeps are the only brand where the entire range of models they offer gets black marks from Consumer Reports. Usually you'll see one dud model among a carmaker, but for Jeep it's every single model due to maintenance, reliability, and safety.

They are fun though, and there's a loyal following among their owners. Just the cars are basically junk.