Anonymous
01/27/2020 11:02
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seiously, got a kid with 3.8 UW in a challenging schedule, 33 ACT, and good academic ECs that was rejected from ivy ED. Accepted EA to a private. Aiming higher but RD round is brutal so little nervous. Full pay…do they really care? Not legacy, URM, or athlete. Diverse in terms of middle eastern but had to check white.
While Naviance is your best source since the 3.8 is UW, SCHEV indicates that UVA might be a bit of a stretch. The entering had a 75% median percentile WGPA of 4.49, median was 4.35 and bottom 25% was 4.21. Your kid's ACT is middle of the pack. Top 75 percentile median was a 34; median a 33; and bottom 25% a 30. Next year will be higher stats. Also RD is much more difficult. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp
UVA warns applicants again and again to take the SCHEV numbers with a grain of salt. Not all schools, especially privates, weigh grades. A kid with a 3.8 UW with a "challenging schedule" would have well over a 4.0 weighted. And a 33 ACT is a very competitive score for an in state applicanr. I do not consider the OP's kid to be a stretch admit. The kid has a good chance of admission.
33 ACT is low for all of the schools OP posted. Might have a chance at UVA, but I would still call it a stretch with a 33 ACT, even in state. 3.8 GPA isn't bad, but hey, my 3.9 student with a 36 ACT did not get in the UVA engineering school...but he is from MD and applied from a private school with many VA residents. Odds were against him. He's fine though...got into a reach which was his first choice.
Bottom line, I hope the OPs kid had some safeties on his list. Assuming OP only listed reach schools.
OP already said kid is in somewhere with large merit aid. No need for more safeties if they like that one.
Where did they end up?
Yep thanks. OP here. Got hefty tuition merit aid from a private. Naviance looks good for Tufts, UVA, Georgetown. No shot at Penn, Yale, or Brown. Hard but not impossible at Cornell. Wake looks good. Hoping for merit there. Likely, if she gets UVA will take UVA. EA but agree very hard this year. Though Naviance looks decent with stats. Northwestern and Vandy looks tough. Hopkins actually doesn’t look horrible and non pre med so they may like that. Hoping full pay makes a difference at some.
My kid last year with 3.7uw, 11 APs, excellent ECs was rejected at Tufts, deferred then rejected at Gtown and didn’t even apply to UVA because grades (OOS) would not hit the mark. Naviance was not helpful in this case.
Where did your kid end up? That would be helpful.
Anonymous
01/27/2020 10:37
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seiously, got a kid with 3.8 UW in a challenging schedule, 33 ACT, and good academic ECs that was rejected from ivy ED. Accepted EA to a private. Aiming higher but RD round is brutal so little nervous. Full pay…do they really care? Not legacy, URM, or athlete. Diverse in terms of middle eastern but had to check white.
While Naviance is your best source since the 3.8 is UW, SCHEV indicates that UVA might be a bit of a stretch. The entering had a 75% median percentile WGPA of 4.49, median was 4.35 and bottom 25% was 4.21. Your kid's ACT is middle of the pack. Top 75 percentile median was a 34; median a 33; and bottom 25% a 30. Next year will be higher stats. Also RD is much more difficult. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp
UVA warns applicants again and again to take the SCHEV numbers with a grain of salt. Not all schools, especially privates, weigh grades. A kid with a 3.8 UW with a "challenging schedule" would have well over a 4.0 weighted. And a 33 ACT is a very competitive score for an in state applicanr. I do not consider the OP's kid to be a stretch admit. The kid has a good chance of admission.
33 ACT is low for all of the schools OP posted. Might have a chance at UVA, but I would still call it a stretch with a 33 ACT, even in state. 3.8 GPA isn't bad, but hey, my 3.9 student with a 36 ACT did not get in the UVA engineering school...but he is from MD and applied from a private school with many VA residents. Odds were against him. He's fine though...got into a reach which was his first choice.
Bottom line, I hope the OPs kid had some safeties on his list. Assuming OP only listed reach schools.
OP already said kid is in somewhere with large merit aid. No need for more safeties if they like that one.
Where did they end up?
Yep thanks. OP here. Got hefty tuition merit aid from a private. Naviance looks good for Tufts, UVA, Georgetown. No shot at Penn, Yale, or Brown. Hard but not impossible at Cornell. Wake looks good. Hoping for merit there. Likely, if she gets UVA will take UVA. EA but agree very hard this year. Though Naviance looks decent with stats. Northwestern and Vandy looks tough. Hopkins actually doesn’t look horrible and non pre med so they may like that. Hoping full pay makes a difference at some.
My kid last year with 3.7uw, 11 APs, excellent ECs was rejected at Tufts, deferred then rejected at Gtown and didn’t even apply to UVA because grades (OOS) would not hit the mark. Naviance was not helpful in this case.
Anonymous
01/27/2020 10:35
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was a 3.8 at top private with 1450 SAT and legacy at Yale. I got rejected and this was 30 years ago in simpler times.
Wow. You remember your stats from 30 years ago? Now THAT is pathetic.
Disagree completely. People took either the SAT or ACT once or twice, max. How hard would i be to remember that number? I remember my SAT and GPA from high school. You had no responsibilites to remember anything else. Not surprising in the least. Maybe a problem that YOU can't remember yours...
Um, no. Remembering all your high school stats 30 years later is only typical of a "top private legacy at Yale." Most of us have lived a fuller life.
People remember their fastest swim times, their fastest run times, the score for the tie-breaker at the big game. GPA and SAT are two numbers. Seriously might want to get your memory checked.
I don't remember my GPA but I remember my SAT because I went up so substantially. 230 point increase.
Anonymous
01/27/2020 07:21
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
If you are telling people about National Merit, you have obviously not moved on.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 23:26
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was a 3.8 at top private with 1450 SAT and legacy at Yale. I got rejected and this was 30 years ago in simpler times.
Wow. You remember your stats from 30 years ago? Now THAT is pathetic.
Disagree completely. People took either the SAT or ACT once or twice, max. How hard would i be to remember that number? I remember my SAT and GPA from high school. You had no responsibilites to remember anything else. Not surprising in the least. Maybe a problem that YOU can't remember yours...
NP. I was a National Merit Scholar, and I don't remember my HS GPA or SAT score. Some of us have moved on.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 22:58
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That 33 is going to be a little limiting for some of the schools you are talking about. Schools in the top 20 are unlikely without something unusual to really spark their interest. Maybe Georgetown, Tufts, Colgate, Dickinson, Bucknell...
Thanks for the substantive response.
Hoping UVA. Cornell applied to Human Ecology. Hopkins because non pre med. I think Vandy and Northwestern will be tough.
Def not Hopkins
Then avian explosion looks good though. Non pre-med.
Naviance
Anonymous
01/26/2020 22:57
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That 33 is going to be a little limiting for some of the schools you are talking about. Schools in the top 20 are unlikely without something unusual to really spark their interest. Maybe Georgetown, Tufts, Colgate, Dickinson, Bucknell...
Thanks for the substantive response.
Hoping UVA. Cornell applied to Human Ecology. Hopkins because non pre med. I think Vandy and Northwestern will be tough.
Def not Hopkins
Then avian explosion looks good though. Non pre-med.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 21:50
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That 33 is going to be a little limiting for some of the schools you are talking about. Schools in the top 20 are unlikely without something unusual to really spark their interest. Maybe Georgetown, Tufts, Colgate, Dickinson, Bucknell...
Thanks for the substantive response.
Hoping UVA. Cornell applied to Human Ecology. Hopkins because non pre med. I think Vandy and Northwestern will be tough.
Def not Hopkins
Anonymous
01/26/2020 21:35
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Cathedral schools would encourage you not to apply to so many schools, but there are no hard limits.
Correct we were discouraged but not prohibited.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 20:48
Subject: Re:Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think your kid will get into UVA. Hard to say about other schools since we don’t know how strong recommendations, extracurriculars or essays were.
Should have applied ED to Cornell. Will be tough in regular pool.
OP. Yeah it was Dartmouth or Cornell. Chose Dartmouth because we had a couple of angles. Recs should be strong and ECs very good. No idea on essays. We think they are good LOL. If we get UVA we are happy because half price of privates. Naviance also looks good for W&M, GW, Wake, Davidson, Emory, Tufts, UVA, Gtown, and Hopkins. Cornell doesn’t look impossible. Vandy and Northwestern looks bad as do Brown, Yale, and Penn. We have an EA with merit in the bag already.
This assessment looks fairly accurate to me, except that I’d put Hopkins and Cornell at more of a stretch. But you should get into at least a few of the others. They are reasonable for those stats.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 20:44
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was a 3.8 at top private with 1450 SAT and legacy at Yale. I got rejected and this was 30 years ago in simpler times.
Wow. You remember your stats from 30 years ago? Now THAT is pathetic.
Disagree completely. People took either the SAT or ACT once or twice, max. How hard would i be to remember that number? I remember my SAT and GPA from high school. You had no responsibilites to remember anything else. Not surprising in the least. Maybe a problem that YOU can't remember yours...
Um, no. Remembering all your high school stats 30 years later is only typical of a "top private legacy at Yale." Most of us have lived a fuller life.
People remember their fastest swim times, their fastest run times, the score for the tie-breaker at the big game. GPA and SAT are two numbers. Seriously might want to get your memory checked.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 20:38
Subject: Where do A students from top local privates go?
Cathedral schools would encourage you not to apply to so many schools, but there are no hard limits.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 20:34
Subject: Re:Where do A students from top local privates go?
OP sorry but based on your description of applying to 19 schools I can tell your child does not really go to a "top private" bc at Sidwell, GDS and the Cathedral schools they limit the number of school you apply to.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 20:04
Subject: Re:Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think your kid will get into UVA. Hard to say about other schools since we don’t know how strong recommendations, extracurriculars or essays were.
Should have applied ED to Cornell. Will be tough in regular pool.
OP. Yeah it was Dartmouth or Cornell. Chose Dartmouth because we had a couple of angles. Recs should be strong and ECs very good. No idea on essays. We think they are good LOL. If we get UVA we are happy because half price of privates. Naviance also looks good for W&M, GW, Wake, Davidson, Emory, Tufts, UVA, Gtown, and Hopkins. Cornell doesn’t look impossible. Vandy and Northwestern looks bad as do Brown, Yale, and Penn. We have an EA with merit in the bag already.
16 applications is excessive. You can't write good supplemental essays for that many schools.
Actually 17. Forgot the EA accept. Two more I cannot recall. So 19.
Anonymous
01/26/2020 19:47
Subject: Re:Where do A students from top local privates go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think your kid will get into UVA. Hard to say about other schools since we don’t know how strong recommendations, extracurriculars or essays were.
Should have applied ED to Cornell. Will be tough in regular pool.
OP. Yeah it was Dartmouth or Cornell. Chose Dartmouth because we had a couple of angles. Recs should be strong and ECs very good. No idea on essays. We think they are good LOL. If we get UVA we are happy because half price of privates. Naviance also looks good for W&M, GW, Wake, Davidson, Emory, Tufts, UVA, Gtown, and Hopkins. Cornell doesn’t look impossible. Vandy and Northwestern looks bad as do Brown, Yale, and Penn. We have an EA with merit in the bag already.
16 applications is excessive. You can't write good supplemental essays for that many schools.