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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

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Anonymous wrote:Biiden is definitely sharp enough to be president. He'll appoint staff to handle the details and everything will be fine.

Not as though people said this about Trump and here we are

^Seriously.

...If I hear this one more time.

People, stop justifying supporting a poor candidate. Vote for someone else!

Anonymous wrote:Curious how old you are OP? From what I've read there is a sharp divide in age for black voters who support Biden -- that being that older black voters support Biden and younger voters do not (as much). Perhaps that age divide is more stark among black men as opposed to women.

I’m 45.

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, what happens if Biden wins the primary and then has a catastrophic health emergency like a major stroke? Who takes over as the candidate? I’m a Biden supporter, by the way.

Then the party decides. There's no set procedure.

Why are you all concerned about Biden's health, but not Bernie's or Warren's? All these people are old and Bernie had heart surgery recently.

I’m not especially concerned about anyone’s health right now, but stuff can happen as you get older. I was just wondering what the protocol was in the event of a catastrophic emergency with the chosen candidate.

Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, what happens if Biden wins the primary and then has a catastrophic health emergency like a major stroke? Who takes over as the candidate? I’m a Biden supporter, by the way.

Then the party decides. There's no set procedure.

Why are you all concerned about Biden's health, but not Bernie's or Warren's? All these people are old and Bernie had heart surgery recently.

Out of curiosity, what happens if Biden wins the primary and then has a catastrophic health emergency like a major stroke? Who takes over as the candidate? I’m a Biden supporter, by the way.

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I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Both failed presidential campaigns occurred before he spent 8 years as the VP to a popular 2 term president. Obama spent the last 3 years in office with an over 50% approval rating after a decisive reelection win. That experience, plus the way he handled himself in those 8 years and in that job have done a huge amount to bump up his public popularity. He's a much better candidate now than he was back in 1988 and 2008.

The Democratic party had the momentum to win a 3rd term in the presidential office, but chose a defective candidate with a huge amount of political baggage. Even with all of her massive baggage, she won the popular vote (in large part because she was the Democratic candidate) but the "anyone but Clinton" demographic was bigger than the "anyone but Trump" demographic. Had the Democratic party chosen just about any other candidate, they probably would have easily won the presidency in 2012.

Right now, Biden is about the only candidate that can reliably win the election against Trump, the polls notwithstanding. This is a strong economy which typically favors the incumbent. The very liberal echo chamber that is the Washington DC metro area and DCUM is not a good indicator of the strength of incumbency. The electoral college currently favors the president and picking anyone that polls as close to the incumbent as the other democratic candidates is folly. Unless the progressive wing take their ball and go home like they did last election, the democratic base is about the same size as the republican base and will balance out. Then you are looking at the moderate and independent voters and the majority of them will not vote for the extremists (Warren and Sanders). Klobuchar is the best candidate, but she does not inspire a huge number of people strongly to campaign for her. After that, the rest of them poll so closely to Trump, that it is just flat out dangerous to bank our countries fate for four more years on a coin toss.

Yes, the "beat Trump" mentality is strong, but only if you bring in a reasonable alternative that the political middle is willing to vote for. I still hope that the ticket is Biden-Klobuchar so that she is well placed for 2024, but I think that's the strongest ticket available.

I'll vote for whoever I damn well please in the primary, thankyouverymuch, and I'll vote for the eventual nominee no matter who it turns out to be.

That's more than a vocal subset of Sanders supporters can say.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed, OP. The other candidates all have their weaknesses but they also seem to have a core constituency that gets excited about them.

No one seems truly excited about Biden.

I am looking forward to a period of calm. To a time of recovery from the past 4 years of frenetic lawlessness. To some healing.

So am I, but we won't get it if Trump wins another 4 years. If everyone is just meh about Biden will they be energized to come out and vote for him in the general? What if it's cold or rainy or snowy? We already know many Bernie supporters will stay home.

I'm tired of Bernie supporters trying to hold us hostage

Biden is broadly popular. Barring anything surprising happening, I plan to vote for Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed, OP. The other candidates all have their weaknesses but they also seem to have a core constituency that gets excited about them.

No one seems truly excited about Biden.

I am looking forward to a period of calm. To a time of recovery from the past 4 years of frenetic lawlessness. To some healing.

So am I, but we won't get it if Trump wins another 4 years. If everyone is just meh about Biden will they be energized to come out and vote for him in the general? What if it's cold or rainy or snowy? We already know many Bernie supporters will stay home.

55% of this country is hyper-energized to dump Trump. Don't discount that energy.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed, OP. The other candidates all have their weaknesses but they also seem to have a core constituency that gets excited about them.

No one seems truly excited about Biden.

I am looking forward to a period of calm. To a time of recovery from the past 4 years of frenetic lawlessness. To some healing.

So am I, but we won't get it if Trump wins another 4 years. If everyone is just meh about Biden will they be energized to come out and vote for him in the general? What if it's cold or rainy or snowy? We already know many Bernie supporters will stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:Biiden is definitely sharp enough to be president. He'll appoint staff to handle the details and everything will be fine.

Not as though people said this about Trump and here we are

And yet he continues to crime without consequence. In fact, he's recruited a ton of people to defend him.

Trump is evil, but he's no dummy.

Anonymous wrote:Biiden is definitely sharp enough to be president. He'll appoint staff to handle the details and everything will be fine.

Not as though people said this about Trump and here we are