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Anonymous wrote:English and history were big disappointments at TPMS for my kid. Science and math were top notch - great teachers and motivated/capable peer. English and history -- much worse than W district middle schools.

Can you please say more about this? English especially is as important to us as the math and science. Can you give more particulars about the problems and also about why some W/non-magnet middle schools are better?

Teachers were ok. English and History classes are with non-magnet students. In those classes teachers were not able to challenge kids more. Sometimes having disrupting kids in classes. With watered-down materials to ensure most kids get As. Overall those classes were way too easy for my kid.

+ same experience
Also when there are disrupting kids and low expectations, even magnet kids find it boring and as a result no one take the classes seriously

I think there are disruptive kids in every middle school. However, the rising class of 6th graders will include almost 60 CES kids from Piney Branch, plus CES kids from ESS that went to a regional center and a lot of other bright and motivated kids from Piney Branch and ESS (like my kid and a lot of his friends) that didn't test into CES. There is an especially strong cohort of 5th graders entering TPMS next year.

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Anonymous wrote:How does the social stuff work if everybody is taking long bus rides to school? How do the kids get together to socialize outside of school? It seems like a lot of kids would just be too geographically spread out. How does it work?

Social on the bus.

From where we live in Chevy Chase TPMS is about a 15-20 minute drive which I wouldn't classify as especially long.

Well, aren't you special? From where we live in Rockville, it's 50 minutes and I'd call it long.

That's not that long but you can always drive your child.

Some people have jobs.

Funny thing, most of us who don't get bus service find a way to drive our kids.

Exactly because we prioritize our children's education.

Have gone through magnet for older DC due to the same belief and now having serious doubt about sending the younger sibling to magnet
It is not really worth it for both the child and family

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/852905.page

^^ Eastern AMA

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Amazing scores. From personal experience, however, prepare for a score drop next year. The MAP scores do go as high as that, but become unstable as your child reaches the ceiling of their current version. Those documents show the MAP M 2-5 maxing out in the mid 200’s, and once your child scores above that, the results are inaccurate... they will have many subjects on their MAP M 6+ next year that were not on the MAP 2-5. And those high scores will be accurate until your child reaches 300 on the MAP M 6+.

True. Thanks for the suggestion and I'm readily prepared especially when knowing the 6th grade fall's MAP has completely different pool of questions.

I had no idea these MAP scores were important and that you have to prepare for them! I thought it was just some evaluation that the school did to understand how well they - the school is doing!

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Amazing scores. From personal experience, however, prepare for a score drop next year. The MAP scores do go as high as that, but become unstable as your child reaches the ceiling of their current version. Those documents show the MAP M 2-5 maxing out in the mid 200’s, and once your child scores above that, the results are inaccurate... they will have many subjects on their MAP M 6+ next year that were not on the MAP 2-5. And those high scores will be accurate until your child reaches 300 on the MAP M 6+.

True. Thanks for the suggestion and I'm readily prepared especially when knowing the 6th grade fall's MAP has completely different pool of questions.

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Anonymous wrote:DC, a current TPMS magnet 8th grader, has been spending a lot more time on non-magnet courses (Spanish and English) than magnet courses (math, computer and sciences).

Here is DC's data

MAP-M down 7 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall
MAP-R up 16 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall

I believe DC has benefited a lot more from non-magnet courses than magnet courses.

Why do you think that is? Is the math class too easy for your child?

NP my guess is that you max out around 240-250 on MAP Math. There was probably more room for growth with the MAP-R.

Map M won’t max out at 240-250. A lot of kids score 290+. That’s where the true plateau is.

Map R usually max out around 250 at the end of elementary school, and has more room to go.

The max RIT score for both map m and map r is 350.

Why don’t you google it? This isn’t true. The test administrators themselves consider 250s to be a top score. Sure you can score higher but 1) 350 is not possible and 2) anything above 250 is considered maxing out.

You are incorrect. See this information on the NWEA website (the makers of the MAP test): https://nwea.jiveon.com/docs/DOC-1651
YOu may have been looking at information from the MAP tests for lower grades (K-2 or 2-5). Here's a slightly older document with some information about maximum scores: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1nA_PlvjvwFTi5vMwRxlfmmVUJo63pfwn67ZAMHaV4oU

The document you are citing is one of the ones I looked at to prove my point.

My 5th grader scored 296 on winter map-m, and had scored greater than 260 since second grade. I read somewhere that the maximum is 300 or 310 for map-m.

Amazing scores. From personal experience, however, prepare for a score drop next year. The MAP scores do go as high as that, but become unstable as your child reaches the ceiling of their current version. Those documents show the MAP M 2-5 maxing out in the mid 200’s, and once your child scores above that, the results are inaccurate... they will have many subjects on their MAP M 6+ next year that were not on the MAP 2-5. And those high scores will be accurate until your child reaches 300 on the MAP M 6+.

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Anonymous wrote:DC, a current TPMS magnet 8th grader, has been spending a lot more time on non-magnet courses (Spanish and English) than magnet courses (math, computer and sciences).

Here is DC's data

MAP-M down 7 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall
MAP-R up 16 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall

I believe DC has benefited a lot more from non-magnet courses than magnet courses.

Why do you think that is? Is the math class too easy for your child?

NP my guess is that you max out around 240-250 on MAP Math. There was probably more room for growth with the MAP-R.

Map M won’t max out at 240-250. A lot of kids score 290+. That’s where the true plateau is.

Map R usually max out around 250 at the end of elementary school, and has more room to go.

The max RIT score for both map m and map r is 350.

Why don’t you google it? This isn’t true. The test administrators themselves consider 250s to be a top score. Sure you can score higher but 1) 350 is not possible and 2) anything above 250 is considered maxing out.

You are incorrect. See this information on the NWEA website (the makers of the MAP test): https://nwea.jiveon.com/docs/DOC-1651
YOu may have been looking at information from the MAP tests for lower grades (K-2 or 2-5). Here's a slightly older document with some information about maximum scores: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1nA_PlvjvwFTi5vMwRxlfmmVUJo63pfwn67ZAMHaV4oU

The document you are citing is one of the ones I looked at to prove my point.

My 5th grader scored 296 on winter map-m, and had scored greater than 260 since second grade. I read somewhere that the maximum is 300 or 310 for map-m.

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Anonymous wrote:DC, a current TPMS magnet 8th grader, has been spending a lot more time on non-magnet courses (Spanish and English) than magnet courses (math, computer and sciences).

Here is DC's data

MAP-M down 7 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall
MAP-R up 16 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall

I believe DC has benefited a lot more from non-magnet courses than magnet courses.

Why do you think that is? Is the math class too easy for your child?

NP my guess is that you max out around 240-250 on MAP Math. There was probably more room for growth with the MAP-R.

Map M won’t max out at 240-250. A lot of kids score 290+. That’s where the true plateau is.

Map R usually max out around 250 at the end of elementary school, and has more room to go.

The max RIT score for both map m and map r is 350.

Why don’t you google it? This isn’t true. The test administrators themselves consider 250s to be a top score. Sure you can score higher but 1) 350 is not possible and 2) anything above 250 is considered maxing out.

You are incorrect. See this information on the NWEA website (the makers of the MAP test): https://nwea.jiveon.com/docs/DOC-1651
YOu may have been looking at information from the MAP tests for lower grades (K-2 or 2-5). Here's a slightly older document with some information about maximum scores: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1nA_PlvjvwFTi5vMwRxlfmmVUJo63pfwn67ZAMHaV4oU

The document you are citing is one of the ones I looked at to prove my point.

There is some real weirdness on this thread.

The bus ride is a real issue, and the PP being callous about how they "value their child's education" is being a jerk. Of course access is an issue, and it is more of an issue for single-parent families, or families where parents do not have flexible work schedules.

It is also true that those of us who live in the eastern part of the county have dealt with YEARS of being told we don't value our kids' educations, so it is moderately amusing that this one time we've apparently done something right by having a short magnet bus ride.

So, if there's any overlap between folks complaining about the bus ride, and folks who have in the past disparaged east county parents, please examine your choices.

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Anonymous wrote:How does the social stuff work if everybody is taking long bus rides to school? How do the kids get together to socialize outside of school? It seems like a lot of kids would just be too geographically spread out. How does it work?

Social on the bus.

From where we live in Chevy Chase TPMS is about a 15-20 minute drive which I wouldn't classify as especially long.

Well, aren't you special? From where we live in Rockville, it's 50 minutes and I'd call it long.

That's not that long but you can always drive your child.

Some people have jobs.

Funny thing, most of us who don't get bus service find a way to drive our kids.

Exactly because we prioritize our children's education.

STFU. If your snowflake's education is of the highest importance to you, that is the only reason your child is there to begin with.

This is why we need to be like Howard, Fairfax, etc.. and have gifted programs in each school based only on teacher's recommendations. Parents manipulating the system for years at MCPS and it is embarrassing. They may have tighten up admission procedures a tad, but it still only benefits those who have the means. And to see parents like you actually boasting about it here is sickening.

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Anonymous wrote:English and history were big disappointments at TPMS for my kid. Science and math were top notch - great teachers and motivated/capable peer. English and history -- much worse than W district middle schools.

Can you please say more about this? English especially is as important to us as the math and science. Can you give more particulars about the problems and also about why some W/non-magnet middle schools are better?

Teachers were ok. English and History classes are with non-magnet students. In those classes teachers were not able to challenge kids more. Sometimes having disrupting kids in classes. With watered-down materials to ensure most kids get As. Overall those classes were way too easy for my kid.

+ same experience
Also when there are disrupting kids and low expectations, even magnet kids find it boring and as a result no one take the classes seriously

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Anonymous wrote:DC, a current TPMS magnet 8th grader, has been spending a lot more time on non-magnet courses (Spanish and English) than magnet courses (math, computer and sciences).

Here is DC's data

MAP-M down 7 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall
MAP-R up 16 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall

I believe DC has benefited a lot more from non-magnet courses than magnet courses.

Why do you think that is? Is the math class too easy for your child?

NP my guess is that you max out around 240-250 on MAP Math. There was probably more room for growth with the MAP-R.

Map M won’t max out at 240-250. A lot of kids score 290+. That’s where the true plateau is.

Map R usually max out around 250 at the end of elementary school, and has more room to go.

The max RIT score for both map m and map r is 350.

Why don’t you google it? This isn’t true. The test administrators themselves consider 250s to be a top score. Sure you can score higher but 1) 350 is not possible and 2) anything above 250 is considered maxing out.

You are incorrect. See this information on the NWEA website (the makers of the MAP test): https://nwea.jiveon.com/docs/DOC-1651
YOu may have been looking at information from the MAP tests for lower grades (K-2 or 2-5). Here's a slightly older document with some information about maximum scores: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1nA_PlvjvwFTi5vMwRxlfmmVUJo63pfwn67ZAMHaV4oU

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Anonymous wrote:DC, a current TPMS magnet 8th grader, has been spending a lot more time on non-magnet courses (Spanish and English) than magnet courses (math, computer and sciences).

Here is DC's data

MAP-M down 7 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall
MAP-R up 16 points from 5th Spring to 8th Fall

I believe DC has benefited a lot more from non-magnet courses than magnet courses.

Why do you think that is? Is the math class too easy for your child?

NP my guess is that you max out around 240-250 on MAP Math. There was probably more room for growth with the MAP-R.

Map M won’t max out at 240-250. A lot of kids score 290+. That’s where the true plateau is.

Map R usually max out around 250 at the end of elementary school, and has more room to go.

The max RIT score for both map m and map r is 350.

Why don’t you google it? This isn’t true. The test administrators themselves consider 250s to be a top score. Sure you can score higher but 1) 350 is not possible and 2) anything above 250 is considered maxing out.

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Anonymous wrote:How does the social stuff work if everybody is taking long bus rides to school? How do the kids get together to socialize outside of school? It seems like a lot of kids would just be too geographically spread out. How does it work?

Social on the bus.

From where we live in Chevy Chase TPMS is about a 15-20 minute drive which I wouldn't classify as especially long.

Well, aren't you special? From where we live in Rockville, it's 50 minutes and I'd call it long.

That's not that long but you can always drive your child.

Some people have jobs.

Funny thing, most of us who don't get bus service find a way to drive our kids.

Exactly because we prioritize our children's education.

Over your jobs, over your health, over your child's emotional health, sleep, and well being?

What wonderful role models you are.

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Anonymous wrote:How does the social stuff work if everybody is taking long bus rides to school? How do the kids get together to socialize outside of school? It seems like a lot of kids would just be too geographically spread out. How does it work?

Social on the bus.

From where we live in Chevy Chase TPMS is about a 15-20 minute drive which I wouldn't classify as especially long.

Well, aren't you special? From where we live in Rockville, it's 50 minutes and I'd call it long.

That's not that long but you can always drive your child.

Some people have jobs.

Funny thing, most of us who don't get bus service find a way to drive our kids.

Comments like this is why I would never do this to my child. This is not the most important thing in the world that you would change your job or job hours. It really isn't. PP, you are what is wrong with this program. It is a terrible system and instead of being sympathetic that many kids that SHOULD be in the program are not because of logistic and time challenges, you make it seem like EVERYONE should drop anything like you did. So, it really isn't the best kids in these programs. It is the kids whose parents jump thru hoops and find a way to apply, practice testing, tutoring, and will eagerly accept and drive their kid anywhere anytime. Oh and nice coming on her shaming other parents. Bravo!!