Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 07:20     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Interesting data. Provided. Thanks.

So, compared to my son’s engineering school ranked between 2O and 30: although my son’s school admits only 35%, the same percentage come from the top 25% of the class.

Also interesting is that an enormous percentage of VT engineering students end up in engineering education. I don’t know what goes on with major access, but I don’t think those kids entered with this plan in mind. Caveat emptor.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 06:59     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It comes down to mathematics... which is why the rankings that depend on admission rates are stupid.

# of freshman

UVA - 4,000
JMU - 4,500
VaTech - 7,500



This is your answer. Now look at how many applicants to each.

And PP is right - that’s why USNews stopped using admit rate in their rankings two years ago.



Actually for a school that’s as large as Tech to have a class with a Freshman profile as high as Tech’s is rather unusual and speaks favorably on the school. They have a lot of spaces to fill yet they get enough applicants to have an average unweighted GPA of 3.9.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 06:52     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.



But they still get students with fairly high stats. How is it that their admissions rate is higher than schools that have students with lower stats?


Because they aren't inducing enough unqualified students to apply so they can reject them.




This. Many colleges aggressively try to get unqualified applicants to apply specifically so they can reject more people Anne lower their admission rate.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 06:49     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:It comes down to mathematics... which is why the rankings that depend on admission rates are stupid.

# of freshman

UVA - 4,000
JMU - 4,500
VaTech - 7,500



This is your answer. Now look at how many applicants to each.

And PP is right - that’s why USNews stopped using admit rate in their rankings two years ago.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 01:45     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
VTech has one of the best undergraduate architecture degree programs in the country. A 5-year NCARB certified degree that's among the best in the country!

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/articles/13611-top-architecture-schools-of-2019#Tables
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 01:02     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.

Bc they are dependent on tuition and intro classes are large (cheap) or bc they have lots of students working on research projects as cheap labor? Or that pulls in funding?


I think they favor growing the financial base (high enrollment) vs selectivity (controlling enrollment).
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2020 00:59     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.



But they still get students with fairly high stats. How is it that their admissions rate is higher than schools that have students with lower stats?


Because they aren't inducing enough unqualified students to apply so they can reject them.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 22:47     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's a well-known fact that these colleges want to see certain courses, not just a GPA. You can have a sky-high GPA, but not have the type of math and science an engineering school wants to see.


My nephew had AP physics and took Calc BC his Junior year, and whatever course comes after that his senior year. We were still flabbergasted that he didn't get in.


Maybe he had poor recommendations or they didn't like his style of writing. I think the people can come up with an idea of why they weren't admitted. You probably don't know the full story about his high school career and are just hearing the highlights.


I know he was admitted to UVA and Middlebury.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 22:46     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.



But they still get students with fairly high stats. How is it that their admissions rate is higher than schools that have students with lower stats?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 20:35     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.

Bc they are dependent on tuition and intro classes are large (cheap) or bc they have lots of students working on research projects as cheap labor? Or that pulls in funding?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 19:55     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The admin rate is slowly dropping since VT started accepting the Coalition App. It will be interesting to see the trend over the next several years. Years ago before GT started using the Common App, their admin rate was > 50% (I think even higher, I'd have to go back and look). Since the Common App, they've dropped significantly.

Also, VT engineering stats are higher with a lower admin rate. My kid won't look at UVA because he wants to go into engineering.


Incorrect on the VT statement. 2018 seems to be an anomaly at this point. In a few years, perhaps that will be proven wrong and 2019 will look like the anomaly. Regardless, the admission rate didn't even change all that much in 2018. Engineering is still less selective than VT overall and much less selective than UVA (39% admission rate in state and 21% out of state).

https://www.ir.vt.edu/data/student/admissions.html

VT Admit Rate Overall (Engineering only admission rate)
2010 - 67% (74)
2011 - 67% (67)
2012 - 70% (72)
2013 - 70% (73)
2014 - 73% (73)
2015 - 73% (75)
2016 - 71% (71)
2017 - 70% (73)
2018 - 65% (68)
2019 - 70% (76)





The link you provide only has the academic profile of entering freshmen, not the overall admission numbers for the college of engineering.
Where are you getting your numbers from?

From ASEE: http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/8059/screen/19

The 2018 admission numbers suggest a 53% admission rate for engineering.


Nope. Click the second link for "Applications, Offers, Enrollees by Student Level" and then "Admissions Data Reports." A new window opens and all the numbers are there.

They make you work for it, but all the numbers are there going back to 2010.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 19:49     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Virginia Tech's strength in research is dependent on having a large student population. That is probably their top priority. Having large incoming classes means lower selectivity.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 19:40     Subject: How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:How does Liberty have a 24% acceptance rate? That’s lower than UVA’s!


I work with the youth group at our church. I don’t know anyone who has ever been rejected from Liberty, and I know quite a few there now who were definitely less than stellar students.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 18:39     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The admin rate is slowly dropping since VT started accepting the Coalition App. It will be interesting to see the trend over the next several years. Years ago before GT started using the Common App, their admin rate was > 50% (I think even higher, I'd have to go back and look). Since the Common App, they've dropped significantly.

Also, VT engineering stats are higher with a lower admin rate. My kid won't look at UVA because he wants to go into engineering.


Incorrect on the VT statement. 2018 seems to be an anomaly at this point. In a few years, perhaps that will be proven wrong and 2019 will look like the anomaly. Regardless, the admission rate didn't even change all that much in 2018. Engineering is still less selective than VT overall and much less selective than UVA (39% admission rate in state and 21% out of state).

https://www.ir.vt.edu/data/student/admissions.html

VT Admit Rate Overall (Engineering only admission rate)
2010 - 67% (74)
2011 - 67% (67)
2012 - 70% (72)
2013 - 70% (73)
2014 - 73% (73)
2015 - 73% (75)
2016 - 71% (71)
2017 - 70% (73)
2018 - 65% (68)
2019 - 70% (76)





The link you provide only has the academic profile of entering freshmen, not the overall admission numbers for the college of engineering.
Where are you getting your numbers from?

From ASEE: http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/8059/screen/19

The 2018 admission numbers suggest a 53% admission rate for engineering.


PP here. Interesting, the link finally rendered for me. The application numbers are different for the two sources. Hmmmm


I know you can get accepted to the college but not get accepted to the school of engineering. Could it be that the 76% is reported from the kids who already gained admittance? 76% of 70% is 53%.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2020 17:05     Subject: Re:How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The admin rate is slowly dropping since VT started accepting the Coalition App. It will be interesting to see the trend over the next several years. Years ago before GT started using the Common App, their admin rate was > 50% (I think even higher, I'd have to go back and look). Since the Common App, they've dropped significantly.

Also, VT engineering stats are higher with a lower admin rate. My kid won't look at UVA because he wants to go into engineering.


Incorrect on the VT statement. 2018 seems to be an anomaly at this point. In a few years, perhaps that will be proven wrong and 2019 will look like the anomaly. Regardless, the admission rate didn't even change all that much in 2018. Engineering is still less selective than VT overall and much less selective than UVA (39% admission rate in state and 21% out of state).

https://www.ir.vt.edu/data/student/admissions.html

VT Admit Rate Overall (Engineering only admission rate)
2010 - 67% (74)
2011 - 67% (67)
2012 - 70% (72)
2013 - 70% (73)
2014 - 73% (73)
2015 - 73% (75)
2016 - 71% (71)
2017 - 70% (73)
2018 - 65% (68)
2019 - 70% (76)





The link you provide only has the academic profile of entering freshmen, not the overall admission numbers for the college of engineering.
Where are you getting your numbers from?

From ASEE: http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/8059/screen/19

The 2018 admission numbers suggest a 53% admission rate for engineering.


PP here. Interesting, the link finally rendered for me. The application numbers are different for the two sources. Hmmmm