Anonymous wrote:The old way works better for 98% of American youth soccer players who are not national team candidates or likely to become professionals. Why doesn't that matter?

Personally, having seen how the switchover played out, some really athletic kids gave up soccer for other sports, and the attrition seemed more pronounced on the girls' side. The best will rise to the top eventually, but no one becomes the best at soccer unless they start play soccer when they are kids. Most often, kids start because they want to play with their friends.

Anonymous wrote:Who gives a shit what US soccer thinks? US soccer sucks and has never been in the best interest of American youth. If kids want to play HS soccer for fun, youth soccer should be supporting it. They haven’t been able to have men’s team compete in 40 years. Do we really care what they think?? Allowing kids to have fun playing soccer and being inclusive is where they should always start. Not allowing kids to play with their classmates or play HS was asinine to begin with. We aren’t Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope they do switch back to the age groupings aligning with school year. This current system of birth year is not pretty when they are in HS and have a fall birthday. My daughter's team is mostly a grade ahead, she will be playing with a completely different team her senior year as the rest of the team will have graduated.

Translation, my kid is a September born kid.

I love people who throw this out there as though parents of kids with fall birth dates are looking for an advantage. I'm not the PP, but my daughter is a late October birthday. She plays ECNL at a top club and has totally benefited from playing with "older" players the past few years. That being said, it sucks for these kids when they are in 8th grade and there is no fall club season (our state plays HS in the fall) because the majority of their teammates are playing HS. Moving to grad year lets every kid have a team to play on every year. What is the negative? And if your kid is good enough for YNT camp invites, changing to grad year won't hurt them--they are already known.

Aww poor 8th grade.

Blame HS soccer. The passion to play crappy HS soccer is your problem not the age cutoff.

Facts. HS soccer is dead weight for top players.

Tell that to some of the GDA YNT players that still play HS. Doesn't seem to be hurting their standing with US Soccer.... Leading scorer in U18/19 GDA last year played HS.

Wrong again. 95% of YNT players are coming from the DA. The U16 team is entirely DA. US Soccer will continue to phase out those types of players. Every year, they select less and less. This is no accident either.

You clearly did not read the comment... There are YNT players that are playing in GDA but are on waivers every season to allow them to play HS. They are not phasing those kids out. The leading scorer from last year in GDA (18/19) is from NEFC. She plays HS soccer in the fall and has every year. She was called in to the U20's in December. She's not being phased out.

What I didn't add is what I said after that. It starts with phasing out the ECNL. Then they go for the part timers. And nobody is talking about U20s. Legacy YNT players that came up through the ECNL are what was the top at the time. They will do it through the younger age groups.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. The kids that are top players will continue to receive waivers. This does not apply to players 6-20 on a GDA roster. Those kids are not getting a look for YNT camps anyway. South Shore Select has a U16 player that plays up 2 years on the U18 YNT--some would argue that the club is in GDA because of this player. She plays HS and will continue to receive a waiver for as long as she wants. And US Soccer will continue to call her in. The top players can do whatever they want.

It doesn't apply to the top 1-2 players. On that I agree. It will apply to everyone else, which is the vast majority. If you are Tobin Heath outstanding, then you are in. But even in YNT players, those are few and very far between. In fact, most YNT players don't make it to U23 and beyond. I know several players, good players, who were going to YNT events, camps, going out to California, and then slowly found themselves phased out.

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

I don't meant part time as in the new DP. I mean playing high school half the year means you are out half the time. So you are part time. Like I said. They've done this before.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

Part time players are different from waiver players. The kids that get waivers are in the top 5 on their team and the club and US Soccer allows waivers in order to keep them. PT players are often placeholders that play much less when the studs that play HS return.

When I said part time, I didn't mean the PT that replaces DP. I meant when you play high school, you are only a part time elite player. They will phase it out. Three years ago, I said they'd phase out the ECNL. People here denied it vehemently. Yet they did. Part timers who won't commit to the full program will be based out too.

Let me know when they phase this kid out because she plays high school.... According to you, she's "only a part time elite player". lol

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

I don't meant part time as in the new DP. I mean playing high school half the year means you are out half the time. So you are part time. Like I said. They've done this before.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

Part time players are different from waiver players. The kids that get waivers are in the top 5 on their team and the club and US Soccer allows waivers in order to keep them. PT players are often placeholders that play much less when the studs that play HS return.

When I said part time, I didn't mean the PT that replaces DP. I meant when you play high school, you are only a part time elite player. They will phase it out. Three years ago, I said they'd phase out the ECNL. People here denied it vehemently. Yet they did. Part timers who won't commit to the full program will be based out too.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope they do switch back to the age groupings aligning with school year. This current system of birth year is not pretty when they are in HS and have a fall birthday. My daughter's team is mostly a grade ahead, she will be playing with a completely different team her senior year as the rest of the team will have graduated.

Translation, my kid is a September born kid.

I love people who throw this out there as though parents of kids with fall birth dates are looking for an advantage. I'm not the PP, but my daughter is a late October birthday. She plays ECNL at a top club and has totally benefited from playing with "older" players the past few years. That being said, it sucks for these kids when they are in 8th grade and there is no fall club season (our state plays HS in the fall) because the majority of their teammates are playing HS. Moving to grad year lets every kid have a team to play on every year. What is the negative? And if your kid is good enough for YNT camp invites, changing to grad year won't hurt them--they are already known.

Aww poor 8th grade.

Blame HS soccer. The passion to play crappy HS soccer is your problem not the age cutoff.

Facts. HS soccer is dead weight for top players.

Tell that to some of the GDA YNT players that still play HS. Doesn't seem to be hurting their standing with US Soccer.... Leading scorer in U18/19 GDA last year played HS.

Wrong again. 95% of YNT players are coming from the DA. The U16 team is entirely DA. US Soccer will continue to phase out those types of players. Every year, they select less and less. This is no accident either.

You clearly did not read the comment... There are YNT players that are playing in GDA but are on waivers every season to allow them to play HS. They are not phasing those kids out. The leading scorer from last year in GDA (18/19) is from NEFC. She plays HS soccer in the fall and has every year. She was called in to the U20's in December. She's not being phased out.

What I didn't add is what I said after that. It starts with phasing out the ECNL. Then they go for the part timers. And nobody is talking about U20s. Legacy YNT players that came up through the ECNL are what was the top at the time. They will do it through the younger age groups.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. The kids that are top players will continue to receive waivers. This does not apply to players 6-20 on a GDA roster. Those kids are not getting a look for YNT camps anyway. South Shore Select has a U16 player that plays up 2 years on the U18 YNT--some would argue that the club is in GDA because of this player. She plays HS and will continue to receive a waiver for as long as she wants. And US Soccer will continue to call her in. The top players can do whatever they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope they do switch back to the age groupings aligning with school year. This current system of birth year is not pretty when they are in HS and have a fall birthday. My daughter's team is mostly a grade ahead, she will be playing with a completely different team her senior year as the rest of the team will have graduated.

Translation, my kid is a September born kid.

I love people who throw this out there as though parents of kids with fall birth dates are looking for an advantage. I'm not the PP, but my daughter is a late October birthday. She plays ECNL at a top club and has totally benefited from playing with "older" players the past few years. That being said, it sucks for these kids when they are in 8th grade and there is no fall club season (our state plays HS in the fall) because the majority of their teammates are playing HS. Moving to grad year lets every kid have a team to play on every year. What is the negative? And if your kid is good enough for YNT camp invites, changing to grad year won't hurt them--they are already known.

Aww poor 8th grade.

Blame HS soccer. The passion to play crappy HS soccer is your problem not the age cutoff.

Facts. HS soccer is dead weight for top players.

Tell that to some of the GDA YNT players that still play HS. Doesn't seem to be hurting their standing with US Soccer.... Leading scorer in U18/19 GDA last year played HS.

Wrong again. 95% of YNT players are coming from the DA. The U16 team is entirely DA. US Soccer will continue to phase out those types of players. Every year, they select less and less. This is no accident either.

You clearly did not read the comment... There are YNT players that are playing in GDA but are on waivers every season to allow them to play HS. They are not phasing those kids out. The leading scorer from last year in GDA (18/19) is from NEFC. She plays HS soccer in the fall and has every year. She was called in to the U20's in December. She's not being phased out.

What I didn't add is what I said after that. It starts with phasing out the ECNL. Then they go for the part timers. And nobody is talking about U20s. Legacy YNT players that came up through the ECNL are what was the top at the time. They will do it through the younger age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

Look how well that's worked out for them on the men's side... lol

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

I don't meant part time as in the new DP. I mean playing high school half the year means you are out half the time. So you are part time. Like I said. They've done this before.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

Part time players are different from waiver players. The kids that get waivers are in the top 5 on their team and the club and US Soccer allows waivers in order to keep them. PT players are often placeholders that play much less when the studs that play HS return.

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

I don't meant part time as in the new DP. I mean playing high school half the year means you are out half the time. So you are part time. Like I said. They've done this before.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

Part time players are different from waiver players. The kids that get waivers are in the top 5 on their team and the club and US Soccer allows waivers in order to keep them. PT players are often placeholders that play much less when the studs that play HS return.

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly have you been hearing this? I cannot imagine US Soccer would put everyone through a change again so soon, esp given that the rest of the world uses the current system.

Until I see it from the source, this just a rumor.

While I tend to agree it is probably a rumor, I have heard it from a number of different places in the last month or two. I am not sure where there is smoke there may not be a bit of fire. A decision may not be made, but I definitely believe it is being spoken about.

US soccer has gotten a beat down about what a failure going to birth year has been.

Maybe they are finally listening.

No club soccer is fine. There is no problem with the birth year groupings. US soccer does not want(for many reason) kids playing high school soccer.

Again, if that was a deal breaker for US Soccer, they would not be granting waivers to several top players in GDA every season. US Soccer may not want those kids to play HS, but they allow it.

They will. They have started with phasing out any significant ECNL presence. Part time DA players are next. They know how to do this. They've done it before with the BDA.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope they do switch back to the age groupings aligning with school year. This current system of birth year is not pretty when they are in HS and have a fall birthday. My daughter's team is mostly a grade ahead, she will be playing with a completely different team her senior year as the rest of the team will have graduated.

Translation, my kid is a September born kid.

I love people who throw this out there as though parents of kids with fall birth dates are looking for an advantage. I'm not the PP, but my daughter is a late October birthday. She plays ECNL at a top club and has totally benefited from playing with "older" players the past few years. That being said, it sucks for these kids when they are in 8th grade and there is no fall club season (our state plays HS in the fall) because the majority of their teammates are playing HS. Moving to grad year lets every kid have a team to play on every year. What is the negative? And if your kid is good enough for YNT camp invites, changing to grad year won't hurt them--they are already known.

Aww poor 8th grade.

Blame HS soccer. The passion to play crappy HS soccer is your problem not the age cutoff.

Facts. HS soccer is dead weight for top players.

Tell that to some of the GDA YNT players that still play HS. Doesn't seem to be hurting their standing with US Soccer.... Leading scorer in U18/19 GDA last year played HS.

Wrong again. 95% of YNT players are coming from the DA. The U16 team is entirely DA. US Soccer will continue to phase out those types of players. Every year, they select less and less. This is no accident either.

You clearly did not read the comment... There are YNT players that are playing in GDA but are on waivers every season to allow them to play HS. They are not phasing those kids out. The leading scorer from last year in GDA (18/19) is from NEFC. She plays HS soccer in the fall and has every year. She was called in to the U20's in December. She's not being phased out.