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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

No. DC resident here. They're essentially a way for white/educated families to avoid their majority minority inboundary school. Charters siphon off the well-resourced families and perpetuate segregated schools.

And I'd love to see some statistics on charters and test scores, because I thought only KIPP had a winning formula. Other charters don't show better performance when broken down by demographics--for example, Creative Minds has a large proportion of UMC white families, and their test scores are still poor across groups.

Not to mention: how many middle-class families send their children to KIPP schools?

PP here, agreed. I don't know one person who sends their kids to KIPP or similar schools (and I'm AA).

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

No. DC resident here. They're essentially a way for white/educated families to avoid their majority minority inboundary school. Charters siphon off the well-resourced families and perpetuate segregated schools.

And I'd love to see some statistics on charters and test scores, because I thought only KIPP had a winning formula. Other charters don't show better performance when broken down by demographics--for example, Creative Minds has a large proportion of UMC white families, and their test scores are still poor across groups.

Let’s bring in KIPP to some central location in the county and see what happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

No. DC resident here. They're essentially a way for white/educated families to avoid their majority minority inboundary school. Charters siphon off the well-resourced families and perpetuate segregated schools.

And I'd love to see some statistics on charters and test scores, because I thought only KIPP had a winning formula. Other charters don't show better performance when broken down by demographics--for example, Creative Minds has a large proportion of UMC white families, and their test scores are still poor across groups.

PP again. I do think that charters had a useful role 10-15 years ago, in keeping families in DC that would otherwise have fled to the suburbs. But in most cases, I think they've outlived their usefulness. They directly compete with DCPS, as in the case of a STEM-focused charter opening across the street from a STEM-focused DCPS.

Some poorly performing charters have been shut down. I think there's a role for certain niche charters--like those that focus on language immersion, the arts, etc.--but think that most others are no longer needed. They contribute to traffic problems and a lack of community, as families can avoid their neighborhood school in favor of the shiny object across town.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

No. DC resident here. They're essentially a way for white/educated families to avoid their majority minority inboundary school. Charters siphon off the well-resourced families and perpetuate segregated schools.

And I'd love to see some statistics on charters and test scores, because I thought only KIPP had a winning formula. Other charters don't show better performance when broken down by demographics--for example, Creative Minds has a large proportion of UMC white families, and their test scores are still poor across groups.

Not to mention: how many middle-class families send their children to KIPP schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

Heading on to five pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools...

? How am I defending it? I'm saying school districts can't do much about housing policies. And you didn't answer the questions. If you can answer that $64K question of how the school district can change housing policies, then you should run for the school board since you seem to think you have the answers.

And I don't live in a W cluster.

School districts can do a lot about school policies, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

Heading on to five pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools...

Actually many people are not defending the segregated schools as much as saying that it is not the school board's place to try to fix them. It is the county council. Bussing has never worked in the past. Fix the bigger issue and the school's will be fixed in turn.

Defending segregated schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

Heading on to five pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools...

Actually many people are not defending the segregated schools as much as saying that it is not the school board's place to try to fix them. It is the county council. Bussing has never worked in the past. Fix the bigger issue and the school's will be fixed in turn.

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Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

Heading on to five pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools...

? How am I defending it? I'm saying school districts can't do much about housing policies. And you didn't answer the questions. If you can answer that $64K question of how the school district can change housing policies, then you should run for the school board since you seem to think you have the answers.

And I don't live in a W cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

No. DC resident here. They're essentially a way for white/educated families to avoid their majority minority inboundary school. Charters siphon off the well-resourced families and perpetuate segregated schools.

And I'd love to see some statistics on charters and test scores, because I thought only KIPP had a winning formula. Other charters don't show better performance when broken down by demographics--for example, Creative Minds has a large proportion of UMC white families, and their test scores are still poor across groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

What a good thing it is, then, that MCPS has commissioned a boundary analysis to assess the possibilities for increasing capacity without building new schools, by adjusting school boundaries.

I find this to be very true. My dd's elementary school, 73% white. Her middle school 63% white. Her high school was 52% white. Both middle and elementary schools are still 9 on great schools, high school has dropped to 6 this year. DD just started college. And this is one of "less" segregated areas in MCPS. New town-homes and houses built in the last 2 years were sold for 500K and 800K respectively. I can't imagine that socioeconomic distribution is equal, not even close. DD had white and black friends, but very few Hispanic friends in HS. They are predominantly poor, according to dd and do not do well in school. I think this tells us that school groups are segregated within the school too. I am in favor of busing and desegregation in MoCo. Only good things will come out of it. Rich parents will still pay for their kids tutors and enrichment even if their kids are attending Einstein, rich white parents should have nothing to fear when it comes to desegregating schools and even busing. The backlash here is pure racism, nothing else. Even the most enlightened limousine liberals still get scared when they see a person of color near them. If you don't want your kids to end up racist, you need to expose them to diversity. Only hearing real life stories from kids "unlike" them, who are really just like them, like all of us,be it black, Hispanic, poor or rich, will make your kids open minded and realize the very real racial and economic divide in the country. If your kids stay in your lily white neighborhood they will end up racist, there is no doubt of that at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

Heading on to five pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools...

Anonymous wrote:Four pages of people explicitly defending segregated schools.

But MCPS is not responsible for housing policies. They are trying to de-segregate as much as they can by busing, much to the disgust of many parents. What exactly is the school district supposed to do about the fact there are very few low income housing in certain parts of the county? How can the school district force wealthier parents to live in the poorer parts of the county?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

You're just figuring this out?