Anonymous wrote:My 9th grade daughter took the Naglieri in school this year, we just received her scores and she received a 160 which is the highest score one can get. This is NOT meant to be a humble brag or boastful post, but I have to say I am floored. I've always known she is very smart, but I don't see her as being a genius. Yet, a 160 does seem rather extraordinary to me. What exactly does it say about a person who receives a score like this? I'm wondering if I should be doing something to develop her abilities in STEM topics. Her extracurriculars are all arts related, she has never done anything like programming, robotics, etc. I guess I'm wondering where do we go from here? Or is there any reason to go anywhere at all?

Congrats to your daughter. Mine also got 160 on Naglieri last year, when she was in 2nd grade and being tested for AAP. But we knew she is really smart, her WISC indicates IQ above 150. I liked WISC, it is expensive but very helpful in understanding what your child needs, what they may struggle with, etc.

My DD is also more of a reading / theater / humanities kid, but she also enjoy math and coding and is doing those things as extracurriculars (kid-driven, we don't push at all, if anything we want her to do less, haha).

My interpretation of such high scores is not to worry about school and intellectual aspects, because she will probably be more than fine. Instead we are now focusing on social one, being happy and healthy.

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No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

+1. This isn't a new thing, either. I took both the ACT and SAT in middle school 30 years ago while living in flyover country.

+1 It's not just for paying programs--my kids in FCPS were invited from Davidson Scholars/Javits and other places for free services triggered by some test score that I didn't ever submit to take the HS SAT in 6th/7th grade. But I'm not sure if the Naglieri group test would trigger that process as it's not as robust as others. In school your daughter will have taken a 9th grade version of the PSAT but it's not a true SAT so you couldn't use that for admission to any of these programs if you were interested. If the 160 Naglieri reflects a pattern of profound giftedness evidenced in other tests, you should look to Davidson Young Scholars as a resource (it's free). THey don't consider Naglieri as evidence though so she might need to get an IQ test or take the full SAT.

Why would they accept a SAT score? That just shows educational achievement. It's not the same as iq?

High scores prior to 10th grade are highly correlated with high IQ. It's an equity issue--not everyone can afford to get a full scale IQ test and the SAT is a better predictor than group short form tests like Naglieri and Cogat.

This makes no sense. The Colgat and Naglieri are designed to assess innate ability, however imperfect the tests might be. The SAT covers academic content. Obviously, someone with a lackluster educational background couldn't be expected to do well on the SAT. If the SAT is a proxy of iq, wouldn't the SOL's be as well?

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To be fair, it is generally know that Einstein did not have high IQ.

If that's the general impression, the generals are wrong

From Wikipedia: 'Einstein always excelled at math and physics from a young age, reaching a mathematical level years ahead of his peers. The twelve-year-old Einstein taught himself algebra and Euclidean geometry over a single summer. Einstein also independently discovered his own original proof of the Pythagorean theorem at age 12.[24] A family tutor Max Talmud says that after he had given the 12-year-old Einstein a geometry textbook, after a short time "[Einstein] had worked through the whole book. He thereupon devoted himself to higher mathematics... Soon the flight of his mathematical genius was so high I could not follow."[25] His passion for geometry and algebra led the twelve-year-old to become convinced that nature could be understood as a "mathematical structure".[25] Einstein started teaching himself calculus at 12, and as a 14-year-old he says he had "mastered integral and differential calculus".[26]'

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No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

+1. This isn't a new thing, either. I took both the ACT and SAT in middle school 30 years ago while living in flyover country.

+1 It's not just for paying programs--my kids in FCPS were invited from Davidson Scholars/Javits and other places for free services triggered by some test score that I didn't ever submit to take the HS SAT in 6th/7th grade. But I'm not sure if the Naglieri group test would trigger that process as it's not as robust as others. In school your daughter will have taken a 9th grade version of the PSAT but it's not a true SAT so you couldn't use that for admission to any of these programs if you were interested. If the 160 Naglieri reflects a pattern of profound giftedness evidenced in other tests, you should look to Davidson Young Scholars as a resource (it's free). THey don't consider Naglieri as evidence though so she might need to get an IQ test or take the full SAT.

Why would they accept a SAT score? That just shows educational achievement. It's not the same as iq?

High scores prior to 10th grade are highly correlated with high IQ. It's an equity issue--not everyone can afford to get a full scale IQ test and the SAT is a better predictor than group short form tests like Naglieri and Cogat.

It means nothing other than exactly what it is. A good score on a puzzle test. I have two kids who scored perfect on that test. One later had an IQ test and scored a 151 on the WISC IV. He has a C in pre calc right now and is acing French. The other on graduated with a good but not exceptional GPA and is an Econ major at a college in the 50-100 range. Both kids are happy and healthy.

Anonymous wrote:who got a 154 on the NNAT in 1st grade.

IQ is very unstable for the young.

But a ninth grader getting a 160 is very impressive, no matter what the strengths and weaknesses of the NNAT are.

I'd do formal IQ testing and if the score look into some of the programs for highly gifted youngsters.

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No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

+1. This isn't a new thing, either. I took both the ACT and SAT in middle school 30 years ago while living in flyover country.

+1 It's not just for paying programs--my kids in FCPS were invited from Davidson Scholars/Javits and other places for free services triggered by some test score that I didn't ever submit to take the HS SAT in 6th/7th grade. But I'm not sure if the Naglieri group test would trigger that process as it's not as robust as others. In school your daughter will have taken a 9th grade version of the PSAT but it's not a true SAT so you couldn't use that for admission to any of these programs if you were interested. If the 160 Naglieri reflects a pattern of profound giftedness evidenced in other tests, you should look to Davidson Young Scholars as a resource (it's free). THey don't consider Naglieri as evidence though so she might need to get an IQ test or take the full SAT.

Why would they accept a SAT score? That just shows educational achievement. It's not the same as iq?

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No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

+1. This isn't a new thing, either. I took both the ACT and SAT in middle school 30 years ago while living in flyover country.

+1 It's not just for paying programs--my kids in FCPS were invited from Davidson Scholars/Javits and other places for free services triggered by some test score that I didn't ever submit to take the HS SAT in 6th/7th grade. But I'm not sure if the Naglieri group test would trigger that process as it's not as robust as others. In school your daughter will have taken a 9th grade version of the PSAT but it's not a true SAT so you couldn't use that for admission to any of these programs if you were interested. If the 160 Naglieri reflects a pattern of profound giftedness evidenced in other tests, you should look to Davidson Young Scholars as a resource (it's free). THey don't consider Naglieri as evidence though so she might need to get an IQ test or take the full SAT.

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No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

+1. This isn't a new thing, either. I took both the ACT and SAT in middle school 30 years ago while living in flyover country.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

Maybe at your kid’s school, but not my kid’s. I do remember getting some flyer regarding the Duke program, but when I saw the price I decided to pass.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

Gifted kids and kids who score in the 99% on standardized tests are invited to take the SAT or ACT in middle school as part of a talent search.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

This. She's a bright girl. Bask in that. I don't think there is anything to indicate she is beyond that. She's in an advanced math track but not crazy ahead. SHe's probably exactly where she should be...or else you wouldn't be so shocked by the results.

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A 9yo just graduated college in the Netherlands. This kid is certainly intelligent especially in one particular domain it seems but there isn’t any evidence pointing to a call for action. At least op hasn’t come forward with any yet. You have a happy, well adjusted kid.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

What the heck do you mean “that’s what gifted kids do?” What school gives kids the SAT before high school?

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

I will say they took the PSAT this fall in school. We won’t get the scores until the Spring, but she did say that she thought that she got all the questions right. That being said, it’s not the same PSAT that is given to 11th graders.

it means she’ll probably get into UVA. Is that the answer you want?