Anonymous wrote:As for Seminary I've looked at the data on the City website, I've looked at google traffic, I have heard what opponents say about traffic on the road, I have heard what supporters say, and I have heard from a "neutral".

Without going into detail, not all the above sources say the same thing. I would like to wait for a discussion using objective data.

Anonymous wrote:The term “road diet” is such PR BS.

“Road Chokehold” is more appropriate.

Anonymous wrote:What a nutty and ignorant thread.

The city hasn't even finished implementing the road diet or tweaking the traffic signals to make all of this work.

The road wasn't reduced from 4 to 2 lanes. In most stretches of the road it has always effectively been 1 lane moving in each direction because of cars queued up to make left turns and there is now a dedicated left turn lane so once everyone figures out the new traffic pattern it is likely to be a wash.

Yes in some sections of the road between intersections you won't be driving as fast because traffic will be confined to one lane. Yes, afterall 1 or 3 mph is not as fast as 25 to 30 mph.

But around the intersections the roads carrying capacity will be about the same as before. “About the same” is subjective nonsense. Care to share some data, Professor?

The carrying capacity of a road is determined not by the top speed but by the average speed and the average speed isn't likely to budge much and during the AM and PM rush hour it has always been a bit low and the rest of the day Seminary has way more capacity than needed. Again, data, Professor?

And I love the comments about no one seeing bikers on a project that is not even completed yet - did you expect some magical pied bicycle piper was going to lead all the cyclists out onto the road on the first cold week of the year? It will take time before people are aware the bike lanes are even there and change their habits to use them. Ah, so I see there’s some social engineering afoot here as well. You essentially just admitted that there is not enough current demand for the bike lanes, but once they’re constructed, the city expects residents and commuters to happily ditch their cars and pick up a bicycle. This is wishful baloney.

This type of road diet is actually pretty common and has worked well elsewhere including in our region and it works because it really doesn't reduce the roads carrying capacity very much. Care to cite some examples, Professor?

But expecting anxious drivers around here who can't zoom around as quickly as they want to in their imported SUV's to be patient is obviously too much. Ouch! What an insult! How long did it take to dream that zinger up???

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Anonymous wrote:What a nutty and ignorant thread.

The city hasn't even finished implementing the road diet or tweaking the traffic signals to make all of this work.

The road wasn't reduced from 4 to 2 lanes. In most stretches of the road it has always effectively been 1 lane moving in each direction because of cars queued up to make left turns and there is now a dedicated left turn lane so once everyone figures out the new traffic pattern it is likely to be a wash.

Yes in some sections of the road between intersections you won't be driving as fast because traffic will be confined to one lane.

But around the intersections the roads carrying capacity will be about the same as before.

The carrying capacity of a road is determined not by the top speed but by the average speed and the average speed isn't likely to budge much and during the AM and PM rush hour it has always been a bit low and the rest of the day Seminary has way more capacity than needed.

And I love the comments about no one seeing bikers on a project that is not even completed yet - did you expect some magical pied bicycle piper was going to lead all the cyclists out onto the road on the first cold week of the year? It will take time before people are aware the bike lanes are even there and change their habits to use them.

This type of road diet is actually pretty common and has worked well elsewhere including in our region and it works because it really doesn't reduce the roads carrying capacity very much.

But expecting anxious drivers around here who can't zoom around as quickly as they want to in their imported SUV's to be patient is obviously too much.

This is some PR shenanigans. If you go east on Seminary towards Quaker, to turn left into Quaker it’s one lane for straight and left turn combined, then a random bike lane that ends right there and then a designated right turn lane to go south into Quaker. There USED to be a left turn lane, but now it’s one lane for both turning and going straight. It’s a nightmare. So if you want to go straight but a car ahead of you wants to turn left to go north on Quaker you have to wait for that car to be able to turn. And what results is a large back of up traffic trying to go straight on Seminary/ Janney’s. What urban planner planned that?! This is how cars have to wait several light cycles to get through that intersection.

And since sooo many bikers wanted this random bike lane where are they? Yes I do expect to see them.

Anonymous wrote:What a nutty and ignorant thread.

The city hasn't even finished implementing the road diet or tweaking the traffic signals to make all of this work.

The road wasn't reduced from 4 to 2 lanes. In most stretches of the road it has always effectively been 1 lane moving in each direction because of cars queued up to make left turns and there is now a dedicated left turn lane so once everyone figures out the new traffic pattern it is likely to be a wash.

Yes in some sections of the road between intersections you won't be driving as fast because traffic will be confined to one lane.

But around the intersections the roads carrying capacity will be about the same as before.

The carrying capacity of a road is determined not by the top speed but by the average speed and the average speed isn't likely to budge much and during the AM and PM rush hour it has always been a bit low and the rest of the day Seminary has way more capacity than needed.

And I love the comments about no one seeing bikers on a project that is not even completed yet - did you expect some magical pied bicycle piper was going to lead all the cyclists out onto the road on the first cold week of the year? It will take time before people are aware the bike lanes are even there and change their habits to use them.

This type of road diet is actually pretty common and has worked well elsewhere including in our region and it works because it really doesn't reduce the roads carrying capacity very much.

But expecting anxious drivers around here who can't zoom around as quickly as they want to in their imported SUV's to be patient is obviously too much.

Anonymous wrote:What a nutty and ignorant thread.

The city hasn't even finished implementing the road diet or tweaking the traffic signals to make all of this work.

The road wasn't reduced from 4 to 2 lanes. In most stretches of the road it has always effectively been 1 lane moving in each direction because of cars queued up to make left turns and there is now a dedicated left turn lane so once everyone figures out the new traffic pattern it is likely to be a wash.

Yes in some sections of the road between intersections you won't be driving as fast because traffic will be confined to one lane.

But around the intersections the roads carrying capacity will be about the same as before.

The carrying capacity of a road is determined not by the top speed but by the average speed and the average speed isn't likely to budge much and during the AM and PM rush hour it has always been a bit low and the rest of the day Seminary has way more capacity than needed.

And I love the comments about no one seeing bikers on a project that is not even completed yet - did you expect some magical pied bicycle piper was going to lead all the cyclists out onto the road on the first cold week of the year? It will take time before people are aware the bike lanes are even there and change their habits to use them.

This type of road diet is actually pretty common and has worked well elsewhere including in our region and it works because it really doesn't reduce the roads carrying capacity very much.

But expecting anxious drivers around here who can't zoom around as quickly as they want to in their imported SUV's to be patient is obviously too much.

Anonymous wrote:What a nutty and ignorant thread.

The city hasn't even finished implementing the road diet or tweaking the traffic signals to make all of this work.

The road wasn't reduced from 4 to 2 lanes. In most stretches of the road it has always effectively been 1 lane moving in each direction because of cars queued up to make left turns and there is now a dedicated left turn lane so once everyone figures out the new traffic pattern it is likely to be a wash.

Yes in some sections of the road between intersections you won't be driving as fast because traffic will be confined to one lane.

But around the intersections the roads carrying capacity will be about the same as before.

The carrying capacity of a road is determined not by the top speed but by the average speed and the average speed isn't likely to budge much and during the AM and PM rush hour it has always been a bit low and the rest of the day Seminary has way more capacity than needed.

And I love the comments about no one seeing bikers on a project that is not even completed yet - did you expect some magical pied bicycle piper was going to lead all the cyclists out onto the road on the first cold week of the year? It will take time before people are aware the bike lanes are even there and change their habits to use them.

This type of road diet is actually pretty common and has worked well elsewhere including in our region and it works because it really doesn't reduce the roads carrying capacity very much.

But expecting anxious drivers around here who can't zoom around as quickly as they want to in their imported SUV's to be patient is obviously too much.