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Post 10/23/2019 10:20     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe crushes him. This is fake news.


Wait, what? I thought there were no Republicans allowed in the hearings at all!




They were allowed in the hearings. Ratcliffe questioned Taylor himself.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 10:16     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:It’s fair. Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is watching. He doesn’t/didn’t. He is doing the right thing now that he could face perjury charges for not doing so. Which is still good. But it’s not a patriot.


He was letting them complete the crime and collecting evidence along the way. This was deliberate and smart. He gave them the rope to hang themselves. He probably knew when he took the job exactly what they were up to and decided to play the long game.

BS. He is a career professional trying to do his job and uphold the Constitution. What many of the officials who have come forward to testify to is that for the first time in their long careers it was hard to follow orders and uphold the Constitution. This is a new experience for people like Taylor and it takes time to figure out how to navigate that. It is unfortunate that they are being placed in such tough situations


Yep. Volker was going along with what he was directed to do, because his job is to carry out the directives of his boss -- which up until recently were in line with the good of the country and the Constitution.

Taylor pushed back but still went along, because that was his job. Now he's testifying to everything that happened, because that is also his job.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 10:14     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:It’s fair. Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is watching. He doesn’t/didn’t. He is doing the right thing now that he could face perjury charges for not doing so. Which is still good. But it’s not a patriot.


He was letting them complete the crime and collecting evidence along the way. This was deliberate and smart. He gave them the rope to hang themselves. He probably knew when he took the job exactly what they were up to and decided to play the long game.

BS. He is a career professional trying to do his job and uphold the Constitution. What many of the officials who have come forward to testify to is that for the first time in their long careers it was hard to follow orders and uphold the Constitution. This is a new experience for people like Taylor and it takes time to figure out how to navigate that. It is unfortunate that they are being placed in such tough situations
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:59     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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I am quite impressed at how much credible information Bill Taylor was able to give.

His opening statement is extremely compelling and constitutes a nearly day by day account of the quid pro quo.



While I agree with you I still question his integrity. So, if the whistle blower hadn’t come forward he (and others) would have just taken this crap to the grave? I’m tired of calling folks like this guy patriots, when what happened was he saw/participated in corruption & then just tried to whistle past the graveyard. Thank you, next.


He probably IS the whistleblower.


I had this thought reading it as well.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:58     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe crushes him. This is fake news.


Wait, what? I thought there were no Republicans allowed in the hearings at all!


Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:52     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe crushes him. This is fake news.


Wait, what? I thought there were no Republicans allowed in the hearings at all!

He went on Fox and said he read the statement.[/quote
Probably for some other topic, but how will Fox News age after *all this*? I know they're planning for a post-trump future, but that's not apparent from their homepage lately. I struggle to see how they will ever gain any sort of credibility, and my hope is that the upcoming generations aren't filling with enough hate to sit through opinion after opinion.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:32     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe crushes him. This is fake news.


Wait, what? I thought there were no Republicans allowed in the hearings at all!

He went on Fox and said he read the statement.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:32     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe?! Who says, the excuse is that maybe the Ukrainians didn't know there was quid pro quo? Hence, there was not "evidence" that Zelensky knew Trump was doing quid pro quo, so it is then not quid pro quo even if all the Trump and all the Trumps's men did it exactly for quod pro quo? Grasping at straws!


The Ukrainians knew they were been shaken down.

Of course, they did. Hence the stupidity of this lamenesss...
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:30     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe crushes him. This is fake news.


Wait, what? I thought there were no Republicans allowed in the hearings at all!
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:27     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:It’s fair. Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is watching. He doesn’t/didn’t. He is doing the right thing now that he could face perjury charges for not doing so. Which is still good. But it’s not a patriot.


He was letting them complete the crime and collecting evidence along the way. This was deliberate and smart. He gave them the rope to hang themselves. He probably knew when he took the job exactly what they were up to and decided to play the long game.


He probably suspected, since the previous ambassador was ousted unexpectedly, and he did speak with her before taking the job. I don’t think anyone could foresee the level of corruptness. He did say a few times in his statement that he was prepared to resign if US policy on Ukraine changed. He had integrity. He became more and more suspicious as time went on and started to document so that there was a paper trail. He made objections along the way when it became clearer what was happening. I am sure he couldn’t believe it at first. Who could imagine the government sinking so low?
You should read his opening statement. It reads as someone with integrity.


He also sent official State Department cables that have yet to be turned over.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:26     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
Anonymous wrote:Ratcliffe?! Who says, the excuse is that maybe the Ukrainians didn't know there was quid pro quo? Hence, there was not "evidence" that Zelensky knew Trump was doing quid pro quo, so it is then not quid pro quo even if all the Trump and all the Trumps's men did it exactly for quod pro quo? Grasping at straws!


The Ukrainians knew they were been shaken down.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:25     Subject: Re:Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
There are a lot of career civil servants who have resigned their positions over the last couple of years because they didn’t want to be part of this administration. They did what was right and all deserve our respect.

Yet those people were not there to collect evidence (intentionally or not), and don’t have the opportunity to testify to Congress.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:17     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:It’s fair. Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is watching. He doesn’t/didn’t. He is doing the right thing now that he could face perjury charges for not doing so. Which is still good. But it’s not a patriot.


He was letting them complete the crime and collecting evidence along the way. This was deliberate and smart. He gave them the rope to hang themselves. He probably knew when he took the job exactly what they were up to and decided to play the long game.


He probably suspected, since the previous ambassador was ousted unexpectedly, and he did speak with her before taking the job. I don’t think anyone could foresee the level of corruptness. He did say a few times in his statement that he was prepared to resign if US policy on Ukraine changed. He had integrity. He became more and more suspicious as time went on and started to document so that there was a paper trail. He made objections along the way when it became clearer what was happening. I am sure he couldn’t believe it at first. Who could imagine the government sinking so low?
You should read his opening statement. It reads as someone with integrity.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:15     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
Ratcliffe?! Who says, the excuse is that maybe the Ukrainians didn't know there was quid pro quo? Hence, there was not "evidence" that Zelensky knew Trump was doing quid pro quo, so it is then not quid pro quo even if all the Trump and all the Trumps's men did it exactly for quod pro quo? Grasping at straws!
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 08:14     Subject: Amb Bill Taylor's testimony - a "sea change"
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Anonymous wrote:So I know why Taylor took the job when asked, but what I’m not clear on is why the Trump Administration asked him to do the job. Wouldn’t all of this <waves hands> have been easier to do with no one in charge in Kyiv?



They probably assumed he would go along with the plans.


They also probably thought that having no one in charge in Kyiv would make things look more suspicious.

All of these people who are testifying in defiance of the WH's attempts at obstruction will go down in history as true patriots.