Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that if you want to learn something you can just buy a text book and read it through without being in a class

That is the opposite of what is being said here. Don't read the text. Drop the AP classes. Take lower level, less challenging classes.

Suit yourselves. Sounds like a big mistake to me. For every story put out there about some kid that dropped down to lower level academics to spend more time playing soccer for spectacular results, I can show you a thousand that are now driving for Amazon or selling used cars or monitoring the playground at lunch.

No. You can’t. You wish you could since you have a chip in your shoulder about sports. Show me 1 person who is an academy level player who had their college commitment taken away because they dropped AP classes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

Here is the whole quote about women in sports...

A 2015 study of 400 female C-suite executives conducted by espnW and EY found an overwhelming correlation between athletic and business success: 94% of women in the C-suite played sports.

Of these, more than half (52%) played at a university level, compared to 39% of women at lower management levels. The same study also found that 80% of female Fortune 500 executives played competitive sports.

Also, many presidents played college sports. Carter, Bush, Bush, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Roosevelt....

None of the people at the top are thinking in these terms. If you need a checklist of resume items to figure out what you need to get to the top, you aint getting to the top. It's middle class/upper middle class for the rest of your life. If you need your parents to get you the checklist, the road ahead is still bumpier. Folks, if your kids want to play, fine. There are immense benefits. But if there is ever a question about whether you should spend a marginal hour at work or in sports, you've taken sports way too far unless you are going pro.

Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine. Your kid and family must love everyday with you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Homeschooling is not “a much worse HS route”. Plenty of homeschooled kids take a very heavy academic load with rigorous curriculum. There’s a reason homeschoolers have been accepted into and are actively recruited by elite institutions like Harvard, MIT and Stanford. They outperform kids from public school (even when controlling for parents’ education level) plus have additional skills and capabilities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-path-to-harvard-2015-9

I say if it works for the kids and their families and helps them achieve their goals then it sounds like a good idea.

I am willing to bet that the homeschooling of kids who drop out to play DA soccer is generally not on par with HS education. Parents who have been planning out curriculum for many years, sure, maybe some of them are better. Parents with no background who just start in HS so their kid can train five hours a day? Not likely to be good.

Every homeschooler I know do online HS. The curriculum is not created by parents.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

Here is the whole quote about women in sports...

A 2015 study of 400 female C-suite executives conducted by espnW and EY found an overwhelming correlation between athletic and business success: 94% of women in the C-suite played sports.

Of these, more than half (52%) played at a university level, compared to 39% of women at lower management levels. The same study also found that 80% of female Fortune 500 executives played competitive sports.

Also, many presidents played college sports. Carter, Bush, Bush, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Roosevelt....

None of the people at the top are thinking in these terms. If you need a checklist of resume items to figure out what you need to get to the top, you aint getting to the top. It's middle class/upper middle class for the rest of your life. If you need your parents to get you the checklist, the road ahead is still bumpier. Folks, if your kids want to play, fine. There are immense benefits. But if there is ever a question about whether you should spend a marginal hour at work or in sports, you've taken sports way too far unless you are going pro.

From your post, it is clear you have never been in this position. It’s almost sad that you think these kids are playing a sport to “build a resume“. What is actually happening with these children is that they play the sport because they love it because they love it they play it all the time and because they played all the time they become amazing at it. You’re not checking boxes to become upper management are you daft.

If you ever had a child who played in the top percentage of the whole nation in a sport you would understand. Colleges understand which is why they give preferential admissions to top athletes. The qualities that these kids possess is not taught, can’t be faked and Sets them apart from other students.

Because of sports these children get to stop checking boxes. They don’t have to take a bunch of AP Classes to prove to the university that they can thrive.

These kids have been going to school, playing soccer every single day, traveling on the weekends, and keeping good grades. This prepares them to become successful adults.

They don’t play sports so that they can be successful they are successful because they played sports

Anonymous wrote:^ Homeschooling is not “a much worse HS route”. Plenty of homeschooled kids take a very heavy academic load with rigorous curriculum. There’s a reason homeschoolers have been accepted into and are actively recruited by elite institutions like Harvard, MIT and Stanford. They outperform kids from public school (even when controlling for parents’ education level) plus have additional skills and capabilities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-path-to-harvard-2015-9

I say if it works for the kids and their families and helps them achieve their goals then it sounds like a good idea.

I am willing to bet that the homeschooling of kids who drop out to play DA soccer is generally not on par with HS education. Parents who have been planning out curriculum for many years, sure, maybe some of them are better. Parents with no background who just start in HS so their kid can train five hours a day? Not likely to be good.

^ Homeschooling is not “a much worse HS route”. Plenty of homeschooled kids take a very heavy academic load with rigorous curriculum. There’s a reason homeschoolers have been accepted into and are actively recruited by elite institutions like Harvard, MIT and Stanford. They outperform kids from public school (even when controlling for parents’ education level) plus have additional skills and capabilities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-path-to-harvard-2015-9

I say if it works for the kids and their families and helps them achieve their goals then it sounds like a good idea.

Anonymous wrote:^^What do you mean by “downgrading education”? If you mean online schooling, then I’d agree with you, though a good number of the kids who do that and go pro, even just at the USL level, were never serious students to begin with. But if you mean taking fewer APs once you’ve met the minimum admissions standards for a good university, I completely disagree. It’s all case by case.

I mean going the online schooling, homeschooling, or a much worse HS route. Taking fewer APs is meaningless.

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that if you want to learn something you can just buy a text book and read it through without being in a class

That is the opposite of what is being said here. Don't read the text. Drop the AP classes. Take lower level, less challenging classes.

Suit yourselves. Sounds like a big mistake to me. For every story put out there about some kid that dropped down to lower level academics to spend more time playing soccer for spectacular results, I can show you a thousand that are now driving for Amazon or selling used cars or monitoring the playground at lunch.

You do realize that if you want to learn something you can just buy a text book and read it through without being in a class

^^What do you mean by “downgrading education”? If you mean online schooling, then I’d agree with you, though a good number of the kids who do that and go pro, even just at the USL level, were never serious students to begin with. But if you mean taking fewer APs once you’ve met the minimum admissions standards for a good university, I completely disagree. It’s all case by case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

There is an enormous difference between "played sports" and "deliberately downgraded education to get a small chance at playing sports."

Nobody is suggesting that somebody with a slim chance of playing a sport in college shoudl downgrade their educations.

What is being said is that once somebody know their kids is a top player in the nations, they take less AP classes because they are unnecessary.

+1 I think a lot of people responding to this thread have no clue about DA (for boys) or DA/ECNL for girls, or high level soccer generally. If you’ve been there and have seen the pro and college opportunities available for these kids, you are going to have a much more nuanced view than those who think that any time playing sports takes away from academics and future career success.

I am very, very familiar with DA and I think downgrading education to focus on DA is foolish for all but maybe 10% of DA players and even then it's risky.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

There is an enormous difference between "played sports" and "deliberately downgraded education to get a small chance at playing sports."

Nobody is suggesting that somebody with a slim chance of playing a sport in college shoudl downgrade their educations.

What is being said is that once somebody know their kids is a top player in the nations, they take less AP classes because they are unnecessary.

+1 I think a lot of people responding to this thread have no clue about DA (for boys) or DA/ECNL for girls, or high level soccer generally. If you’ve been there and have seen the pro and college opportunities available for these kids, you are going to have a much more nuanced view than those who think that any time playing sports takes away from academics and future career success.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

Here is the whole quote about women in sports...

A 2015 study of 400 female C-suite executives conducted by espnW and EY found an overwhelming correlation between athletic and business success: 94% of women in the C-suite played sports.

Of these, more than half (52%) played at a university level, compared to 39% of women at lower management levels. The same study also found that 80% of female Fortune 500 executives played competitive sports.

Also, many presidents played college sports. Carter, Bush, Bush, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Roosevelt....

None of the people at the top are thinking in these terms. If you need a checklist of resume items to figure out what you need to get to the top, you aint getting to the top. It's middle class/upper middle class for the rest of your life. If you need your parents to get you the checklist, the road ahead is still bumpier. Folks, if your kids want to play, fine. There are immense benefits. But if there is ever a question about whether you should spend a marginal hour at work or in sports, you've taken sports way too far unless you are going pro.

It worked for my nephew. His parents knew he had a chance of being recruited to play college soccer. They knew in order to play high level soccer in high school he could:
A) continue in his rigorous school where he would be a B student taking Honors/AP classes.
B) switch to a less rigorous private school where he could get A's in honors/AP classes.
He moved schools before starting 10th grade. He was recruited to play soccer in college and got into a far better college than other students at his school with similar GPA's and test scores.

Anonymous wrote:Majority of CEOs. Well....

There are claims that "95% of CEOs played sports" but the only 'source' for that is not that credible. Quite a few did, but a majority of CEOs? Hmmm....

There was a HBR study of female C-Level executives in business around the world. 52% of them played college or university sport. But again, this is a) only females, b) C-Level, and c) not Fortune 500 only.

Not arguing the with the central point--sports does help build skills that are essential in business such as leadership and teamwork, but the stat "majority" seems a bit of a stretch.

But if anyone has a reliable link (i.e. not the "95%" clickbait story but an actual line by line list) I'd like to see it.

Here is the whole quote about women in sports...

A 2015 study of 400 female C-suite executives conducted by espnW and EY found an overwhelming correlation between athletic and business success: 94% of women in the C-suite played sports.

Of these, more than half (52%) played at a university level, compared to 39% of women at lower management levels. The same study also found that 80% of female Fortune 500 executives played competitive sports.

Also, many presidents played college sports. Carter, Bush, Bush, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Roosevelt....