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You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

Looks like the city is now involved.

https://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab=Status&ticketNo=189685

The city *was* involved...? For about five hours...? It looks like the status on this is "Closed."

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You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

Looks like the city is now involved.

https://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab=Status&ticketNo=189685

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

There are 9.9 Scholarships in a fully funded D1 Mens Soccer program. It is difficult to get scholarship money because so much of it goes to international players.

"VA State Schools" covers a pretty wide range - are we talking UVA or VCU? Yes they are both D1, but they really are not comparable.

BTW, UVA has 6 Virginia residents on the roster, 5 from Europe, the rest 50/50 US versus Rest of World.

Right. There is such a small amount of scholarships available that the academic side is a factor. The schools are Wiiliam & Mary, Virginia Tech, Richmond, James Madison. They're all Division I schools. That was the point of the conversation. Not only elite level DI.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

There are 9.9 Scholarships in a fully funded D1 Mens Soccer program. It is difficult to get scholarship money because so much of it goes to international players.

"VA State Schools" covers a pretty wide range - are we talking UVA or VCU? Yes they are both D1, but they really are not comparable.

BTW, UVA has 6 Virginia residents on the roster, 5 from Europe, the rest 50/50 US versus Rest of World.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the desire to be thoughtful, but you have to start with total comp potential (or as we call it in the biz exposure) and work backwards. For example, we could start a nonprofit soccer club where you pay me a dollar as a director and I get to keep 50 cents of everything coming in the door. (I realize that you can't have a compensation plan like this in a nonprofit but this is for illustration purposes) Lets say we collect $1M. Am I underpaid relative to the other directors if my salary is $1, or am I overpaid relative to the other directors because my bonus plus salary (overall compensation) is $501K? The bonus/salary mix doesn't matter - my overall compensation has to be inline with other directors. So to prevent this from happening start with total comp potential and then develop the spilt between base and bonus potential. ProTip - never have any bonus with a limitless potential. Another ProTip: anyone involved with nonprofits should understand the rules.[/quote

Thanks - I already have a CPA working for me but you can never have too many accountants. I think this is more of an economic question, especially if we are comparing club heads. Does he do whatever other club heads hire additional FTEs for? If so, not apples to apples. Do other clubs permit their heads to run other camps or training? If so, keeping it internal generates additional revenues and profit. I don’t think it’s quite as simple as simply comparing even comparably sized clubs.