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Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

Inhumane.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

He had a serious mental illness that prevented him from living his life “as an adult” as you define it. He didn’t choose that.

But what a surprise, you have zero empathy or compassion for anyone but yourself.

That is what the immigration attorney said. We have no way of knowing if that is accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

He had a serious mental illness that prevented him from living his life “as an adult” as you define it. He didn’t choose that.

But what a surprise, you have zero empathy or compassion for anyone but yourself.

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

or if you don’t want to give him citizenship you can give a status that acknowledges the reality of his situation - he has no other home and he is in danger (because of his health and religion) if he’s sent to iraq, where he has no ties and no means to survive. i’ve worked on immigration policy with the federal government - they can fix this. they decided not to. they sent a mentally ill, physically ill man to a country where he has no ties instead.

Unfortunately, we don't have laws to involuntarily commit and treat the mentally ill in this country. A mentally ill non US national shouldn't be wandering around committing crimes since the 90's. That is very unfair to him (if he was mentally ill) and to American citizens who he may have frightened or whose rights he violated. It's a very strange situation to be deported to a basically unfamiliar country and I see how problematic that is--akin to dreamers. But again, Congress' inaction has contributed to a massive, multilayered problem for American citizens and bad consequences ultimately for him. My grandmother never attained citizenship and held her green card her entire life; had she broken the law, she could have been deported. We have laws, we follow them. If you don't like them - legislators need to change them.

This.

There may be blame to go around for what happened, but it is not on Trump.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

Agreed.

His parents made a bad choice in bringing him here illegally. And then he continued to make bad choices on his own. He had time to prepare to leave the country. This did not happen overnight.

Trying to make it into a sob story is disingenuous. What about the millions of other people all over the world who don’t have access to insulin? People go blind daily because they don’t have access to cataract surgery.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to increase access to healthcare for people all over the world, I am behind that 120%. And, there are plenty of Americans who try to do that - whether by studying health care delivery systems or by personally going to provide healthcare in areas that need it.

This is the problem with illegal immigration. Why do we encourage people to come here illegally when it can potentially end up poorly? Why is that a good idea? Why do we encourage people to come here illegally and then have them end up in detention camps at the border?

A more humane policy would actually be to discourage illegal immigration. And do more to help improve the situation for these people where they live.

For some reason, we have decided that people who come here illegally should be rewarded for that. This is not the correct approach to fixing the world’s problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

or if you don’t want to give him citizenship you can give a status that acknowledges the reality of his situation - he has no other home and he is in danger (because of his health and religion) if he’s sent to iraq, where he has no ties and no means to survive. i’ve worked on immigration policy with the federal government - they can fix this. they decided not to. they sent a mentally ill, physically ill man to a country where he has no ties instead.

Have you called your legislator to ask for laws that give status that acknowledges the reality of people's situations?

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

or if you don’t want to give him citizenship you can give a status that acknowledges the reality of his situation - he has no other home and he is in danger (because of his health and religion) if he’s sent to iraq, where he has no ties and no means to survive. i’ve worked on immigration policy with the federal government - they can fix this. they decided not to. they sent a mentally ill, physically ill man to a country where he has no ties instead.

Unfortunately, we don't have laws to involuntarily commit and treat the mentally ill in this country. A mentally ill non US national shouldn't be wandering around committing crimes since the 90's. That is very unfair to him (if he was mentally ill) and to American citizens who he may have frightened or whose rights he violated. It's a very strange situation to be deported to a basically unfamiliar country and I see how problematic that is--akin to dreamers. But again, Congress' inaction has contributed to a massive, multilayered problem for American citizens and bad consequences ultimately for him. My grandmother never attained citizenship and held her green card her entire life; had she broken the law, she could have been deported. We have laws, we follow them. If you don't like them - legislators need to change them.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

Yup. The leftists keep ignoring that this was a guy here illegally, and instead of being respectful to his hosts, he lived a life a petty crime since he was 13. U

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

or if you don’t want to give him citizenship you can give a status that acknowledges the reality of his situation - he has no other home and he is in danger (because of his health and religion) if he’s sent to iraq, where he has no ties and no means to survive. i’ve worked on immigration policy with the federal government - they can fix this. they decided not to. they sent a mentally ill, physically ill man to a country where he has no ties instead.

Just looked it up and in fact news articles said that this round up of Iraqis started in June 2017. A full 2 years ago

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Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

That's not how it normally works and not how these special Irawu deportees work either.

Not how what normally works? if it is the same group currently in he news, this group of Iraqis have known for years they could be deported. I think some of them are even cutting off their GPS bracelets so they can't be found before their deportation. Hard to argue they didn't see it coming.

Sure, they know they could be deported, but for a long time they knew it wouldn't happen then. A removal date isn't set years in advance. Or even more than a few days in advance.

They have been fighting this deportation in court for at least a year if not more. If this was a result of the travel ban deal, that was in 2017... They've had time to plan.