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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

Wait. So you think that unless you inject Botox into your face you don't look good? Boy, did you buy the marketing.

Nope, but Botox does help some people look good. I think some people overdo it, like Ivanka Trump, and look fake and scary, but NK is very pretty and young looking. My mom, in her 50’s, never even had a proper skincare routine, let alone Botox, but she looks very lovely and youthful, so obviously not everyone requires Botox to look good. Obviously, this is my opinion but I think most people would agree with me that having youthful qualities like smooth skin and zero wrinkles helps your appearance in a major way.

Pretty much. I’m 48. Started at 45. Not ashamed and wont let you women make me feel bad about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

Whoa, is Nicole Kidman the poster child for “good Botox”? I assumed she was one of the cautionary tales....

+1 I have never really cared for her looks, realizing others do - it's a taste thing. I certainly don't find her to be undeniably beautiful because of the facial work. Something odd about the frozen tight skin.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

For some of us, looking fake is never beautiful. I find people chasing their youth very sad. I find it sad that you believe you must look 20 to "look good". That is so F-d up. I understand why actresses do it but so sad that they have to do it and people like you reinforce to the movie, tv etc. industries that this is what people want.

We need to shift the whole culture and stop thinking that people who look older are "gross" or "sad" or "have given up" and should hide away from society.

The more we show real people with real faces and real bodies instead of photoshopped BS and cosmetically-altered faces, the better off all of us will be.

Nobody is saying people who look old are sad or should hide away from society. You’re projecting because you believe that outward appearance is linked to a person’s worthiness, which is not true. IMO, people who look younger are just more beautiful. I don’t find anything attractive about loose skin, wrinkles, or folds. Does that mean I think everyone should get Botox and fillers? No, but it might help some people look better.

"To you" is the key phrase here. People who look younger look more beautiful to you. You don't find anything attractive about loose skin, wrinkles, or folds. Doesn't mean that everyone thinks the way you do.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

Wait. So you think that unless you inject Botox into your face you don't look good? Boy, did you buy the marketing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

Whoa, is Nicole Kidman the poster child for “good Botox”? I assumed she was one of the cautionary tales....

I'm 46 and at this point get my crow's feet done every 3 months or so and my forehead done 1-2 times per year. I've been doing my crow's feet periodically since I was in my mid 30's and started doing my forehead a few years ago. I get a small amount of either Botox or Dysport (whichever one is more cost effective at the time-I'm signed up with Brilliant Distinctions and Aspire so I get discounts) so I don't look frozen. I still have some wrinkles-just not as many and not as deep. I know three other women (two are friends, one is a friendly acquaintance) who admit to getting it done.

I'm pretty open about it. I don't advertise that I do it but if the topic comes up or someone asks I'm honest. Yeah, it's a vanity thing and I know there are better things I could be spending my money on but it helps me feel more confident. I feel a little embarrassed admitting that and honestly in an ideal world I wish that the wrinkles didn't bother me but they do. My financial justification is that I'm low maintenance otherwise (minimal to no make-up and I have a friend of friend who charges me a discount rate for highlights and haircuts and I only get my hair done every 3 months, I don't spend money on expensive clothing or accessories, etc). I don't do fillers-they freak me out.

Anonymous wrote:I started Botox a few months prior to turning 40. Doing a conservative dose - so still can move my muscles. But it got rid of the constant frown.

I used to frown as I drove, and in my sleep, and when I listened to something, I would have that frowned-concentrated look, and when I think about something. Now, I do not. And I like it.

I have not discussed it with my husband, not because it is a secret, but because I do not discuss every wax, hair appointment or flu shot with him. We have many other things to discuss. We have a joint account and both spend at our discretion keeping family financial goals in mind.

Be gone, you! How can you possibly have a rational, simple explanation about your use of Botox without over analyzing or projection?!

I started Botox a few months prior to turning 40. Doing a conservative dose - so still can move my muscles. But it got rid of the constant frown.

I used to frown as I drove, and in my sleep, and when I listened to something, I would have that frowned-concentrated look, and when I think about something. Now, I do not. And I like it.

I have not discussed it with my husband, not because it is a secret, but because I do not discuss every wax, hair appointment or flu shot with him. We have many other things to discuss. We have a joint account and both spend at our discretion keeping family financial goals in mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

For some of us, looking fake is never beautiful. I find people chasing their youth very sad. I find it sad that you believe you must look 20 to "look good". That is so F-d up. I understand why actresses do it but so sad that they have to do it and people like you reinforce to the movie, tv etc. industries that this is what people want.

We need to shift the whole culture and stop thinking that people who look older are "gross" or "sad" or "have given up" and should hide away from society.

The more we show real people with real faces and real bodies instead of photoshopped BS and cosmetically-altered faces, the better off all of us will be.

Nobody is saying people who look old are sad or should hide away from society. You’re projecting because you believe that outward appearance is linked to a person’s worthiness, which is not true. IMO, people who look younger are just more beautiful. I don’t find anything attractive about loose skin, wrinkles, or folds. Does that mean I think everyone should get Botox and fillers? No, but it might help some people look better.

No. You need to reread my post. I DON'T believe that. I am arguing that we should NOT link a person's outward appearance to their worthiness. It is clear many of the PPs on here who feel compelled to inject stuff in their faces do think that. They diminish themselves and other women with this way of thinking.

NP. No, it is NOT clear they think that. You're the one making this "worthiness" argument. Sometimes people just do things for fashion or style or preference, not as some sort of deeper existential commentary. You're fine without botox, and other women are fine with it. Stop worrying about what other women do.

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Anonymous wrote:I do the 11 between my eyebrows because it made me look angry all the time. The funny thing is I'm much happier now that I do not have a permanent angry face. I'm 49.

When I’ve done Botox for my 11s my mood improves. I believe they’ll find out that it has anti depressant properties. Not to mention my forehead is relaxed.

Just out of curiosity, did you get headaches before in the area of the 11s? I know botox can be recommended for certain migraines (which I think is great).

I can totally see how making your face relaxed improves your mood. I’m sure people used to routinely ask you - what’s wrong? - when you were perfectly fine.

Anonymous wrote:I do the 11 between my eyebrows because it made me look angry all the time. The funny thing is I'm much happier now that I do not have a permanent angry face. I'm 49.

When I’ve done Botox for my 11s my mood improves. I believe they’ll find out that it has anti depressant properties. Not to mention my forehead is relaxed.

I do Botox and so do my friends. Age fifty.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

For some of us, looking fake is never beautiful. I find people chasing their youth very sad. I find it sad that you believe you must look 20 to "look good". That is so F-d up. I understand why actresses do it but so sad that they have to do it and people like you reinforce to the movie, tv etc. industries that this is what people want.

We need to shift the whole culture and stop thinking that people who look older are "gross" or "sad" or "have given up" and should hide away from society.

The more we show real people with real faces and real bodies instead of photoshopped BS and cosmetically-altered faces, the better off all of us will be.

Nobody is saying people who look old are sad or should hide away from society. You’re projecting because you believe that outward appearance is linked to a person’s worthiness, which is not true. IMO, people who look younger are just more beautiful. I don’t find anything attractive about loose skin, wrinkles, or folds. Does that mean I think everyone should get Botox and fillers? No, but it might help some people look better.

No. You need to reread my post. I DON'T believe that. I am arguing that we should NOT link a person's outward appearance to their worthiness. It is clear many of the PPs on here who feel compelled to inject stuff in their faces do think that. They diminish themselves and other women with this way of thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 52. I don’t look 42. I am perfectly happy aging gracefully. No way would I have toxins injected into my face. First, everyone I know who does, looks perpetually surprised. I would hate to look like that. And second, I have no desire to look younger than I am. I want to look like a strong, fit, healthy 52 year old woman. Because that’s what I am.

And other people want to look good. Because that’s their thing and Botox helps with that. Look at Nicole Kidman-she’s gorgeous in her 50’s because of injectables. She looks fake but undeniably beautiful.

For some of us, looking fake is never beautiful. I find people chasing their youth very sad. I find it sad that you believe you must look 20 to "look good". That is so F-d up. I understand why actresses do it but so sad that they have to do it and people like you reinforce to the movie, tv etc. industries that this is what people want.

We need to shift the whole culture and stop thinking that people who look older are "gross" or "sad" or "have given up" and should hide away from society.

The more we show real people with real faces and real bodies instead of photoshopped BS and cosmetically-altered faces, the better off all of us will be.

Nobody is saying people who look old are sad or should hide away from society. You’re projecting because you believe that outward appearance is linked to a person’s worthiness, which is not true. IMO, people who look younger are just more beautiful. I don’t find anything attractive about loose skin, wrinkles, or folds. Does that mean I think everyone should get Botox and fillers? No, but it might help some people look better.