Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.
SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC
You're inability to have a basic, ooen discussion with SSPX shows your hate filled animus for things Catholic, untainted by modernist heresies. God have mercy on your soul...
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Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem with SSPX is that they believe that in following old traditions that it makes them better than others. Which I certainly reject.
They also believe that these traditional practices will bring people back to the church. All it does is attract more people like themselves, but those numbers are in no way equal to the numbers of mainstream Catholics are. The fringe is not going to save the church, no matter how many vocations they have compared to diocesan and other orders.
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Anonymous wrote:The planet cannot hold the numbers of people already here. We need to shrink the population, not increase it.Anonymous wrote:If by growing you mean a push for female members to have lots of births, sure.
What's wrong with women choosing to have "lots of births?"
And what's wrong with suggesting or accepting and supporting that as a worthy vocation for women, who are the only ones with the capacity to bear children?
Do you seriously believe that in this day and age any woman in the USA can be "pushed" into involuntary reproduction? Multiple times?
The planet cannot hold the numbers of people already here. We need to shrink the population, not increase it.Anonymous wrote:If by growing you mean a push for female members to have lots of births, sure.
What's wrong with women choosing to have "lots of births?"
And what's wrong with suggesting or accepting and supporting that as a worthy vocation for women, who are the only ones with the capacity to bear children?
Do you seriously believe that in this day and age any woman in the USA can be "pushed" into involuntary reproduction? Multiple times?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp
BTW, SSPX has a LONG history of anti-semitism, including in this thread.
Something you can chew over in the purifying fires for eternity.
Anonymous wrote:The problem with SSPX is that they believe that in following old traditions that it makes them better than others. Which I certainly reject.
They also believe that these traditional practices will bring people back to the church. All it does is attract more people like themselves, but those numbers are in no way equal to the numbers of mainstream Catholics are. The fringe is not going to save the church, no matter how many vocations they have compared to diocesan and other orders.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.
SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC
You're inability to have a basic, ooen discussion with SSPX shows your hate filled animus for things Catholic, untainted by modernist heresies. God have mercy on your soul...
Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.
SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp
BTW, SSPX has a LONG history of anti-semitism, including in this thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For the SSPX poster:
Do you acknowledge that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis is the Roman Pontiff, the Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth?
Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 333 sec. 3 that "no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff," and do you accept that law as binding?
Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 1404, that "the First See [the Pope] is judged by no one," and do you accept that law as binding?
Assuming the responses to the foregoing are in the affirmative, whence do you purport to derive standing or authority to question any act of the Roman Pontiff, including but not limited to the declaration of sanctity of Pope John Paul II?
1. Francis is the Pope
2. I am familiar with this and this is true. But it’s also true that the Church is indefectible and cant contradict itself. As Fr. Gleize points out, this is the dilemma we are in
3. The Pope can not be judged by men as such, but we can not follow him if he teaches error. Vatican 1 is very clear in stating that the Pope can not teach new doctrine
These things have to be read in the light of the entire Tradition. Vatican 1 does not teach that a Pope can do whatever he wants and there are theologians who say that canonizations do not fall under infallibility.
Put the SSPX to the side for a moment. Think about this. Fr. Aidan Nichols O. P( a mainstream Catholic theologian at Oxford) was one of the main authors of a recent letter accusing Francis of heresy. If “the Pope is to be judged by no one” meant what you think it means, Fr. Nichols wouldn’t dare do what he did. You do not know Catholic Tradition better than he does
Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp