Anonymous wrote:Yes, all those SUVs that never ride off pavement have been bought purely based on objective analysis and 100% rational decision making.

Mine was.

I wanted it and I bought it.

Completely rational and around 14MPG. Wouldn’t trade it for anything

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Anonymous wrote:Four wheel drive is essential for mountain ski trips.

Nope not true.

Maybe if you are going cross country skiing and need to get to a hard tp reach trail head but all of the ski areas are on major roads and the ski areas make sure they are clear because they can't sell lift tickets if you can't get there.

I grew up skiing in Colorado and we drove a Datsun station wagon.

The clerance difference between a car and an SUV is a few inches which makes no difference in.a big storn, most SUV's, believe it or not are 2WD, and every car slides on ice especially if you don't know how to drive which many SUV owners don't.

The best safety device for icy and snow packed roads is chains though most people driving luxury SUVs would never dirty themselves by putting them on.

But 4WD and AW2 is really overkill around here and both kill your gas mileage - we get the road conditions that require such cars every few years at best and in any case if you are concerned about safety the best thing you can do in conditions that require AWD is stay home.

There are lots of utilitarian cars with leg room that get better mileage than an Outback SUV.

But there isn't a car brand out there that so succesfully hoodwinks its liberal customers into believing you can be a progressive and drive a gas guzzling SUV.

Love

You really nail it there.

The Outback is not an SUV

Practically and legally it is an SUV and yes for fuel efficiency standards there is a legal definition of what an SUV is:

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/what-point-do-we-admit-subaru-outback-now-suv-281474979889004

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107161_are-you-driving-a-car-a-crossover-an-suv-or-a-truck-do-you-care

Of course as pointed out elsewhere Subaru never refers to any of its models as SUV's because the whole point of their marketing campaigns is to make progressives feel good about driving something that gets pretty poor mileage relative to just driving a car which does just about everything you need for virtually all of your trips which for most people are driving alone to work for about 95% of the miles on a car.

But no doubt 3 more people will reply that they need the AWD to go into downtown Bethesda when there is an inch of snow on the ground or that they need it to haul mulch around or that they are all 6'4" and this is the only thing out there that they can fit in and of course the safety! The safety - what will keep you safe when there is an inch of snow on the ground and you are hauling mulch?!

FWIW I just looked at a bunch of fuel efficiency lists for SUV's (and both the Forrester and Outback were on every one of the lists) and not a single non hybrid SUV comes close to the mileage I get in my 15 year old station wagon which fits my 6'2" frame just fine and is quite sufficient for hauling mulch and getting around when there is some snow on the ground.

Yes, all those SUVs that never ride off pavement have been bought purely based on objective analysis and 100% rational decision making.

Anonymous wrote:Explain what a Subaru can do that any other crossover (= small SUV) like Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 can't? Exactly, nothing. It's all about advertising and image.

So if the three cars are basically the same, why does it bother you so much that people buy Subarus?

I test drove the CRV and Rav4 before buying a Forester in 2015. I didn't care for the rear cargo space in either of the other cars, and the Toyota had comparatively poor crash ratings. I don't recall that the mpg was notably different between the three. But I don't look at CRV or RAV4 drivers and think they are different from me. We are all regular people with moderate car budgets trying to stop at Home Depot on the way home from work.

Car buying is not an emotional or political decision, and most people don't watch TV ads anymore. Between many similar cars, the thing that tips the balance could be anything from headroom to color to how much of a jerk the salesperson was. And if it was marketing that tipped the scales, unclear why you care given that the cars are basically the same. I think you are creating a reason to be upset about nothing. Go be mad at Tesla for having abysmal factory conditions instead, at least that is a real issue.

Anonymous wrote:Subaru's advertising makes me ill. I am not buying some car so I can find a tree to hug.

Subaru's advertising is deceptive. You get zero golden retrievers when you buy one.

And I think of it as a wagon, but the Virginia DMV says it's an SUV.

Anonymous wrote:Explain what a Subaru can do that any other crossover (= small SUV) like Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 can't? Exactly, nothing. It's all about advertising and image.

Any Subaru will smoke a CRV or RAV4 in the snow or rain.

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I own a Subaru but by all means, Toyota and CRV are great. Get one if you like! It’s not a cult.

Judging by many responses here, it appears to be.

Anonymous wrote:Explain what a Subaru can do that any other crossover (= small SUV) like Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 can't? Exactly, nothing. It's all about advertising and image.

I own a Subaru but by all means, Toyota and CRV are great. Get one if you like! It’s not a cult.

Anonymous wrote:Explain what a Subaru can do that any other crossover (= small SUV) like Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 can't? Exactly, nothing. It's all about advertising and image.

get a life, loser

Explain what a Subaru can do that any other crossover (= small SUV) like Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 can't? Exactly, nothing. It's all about advertising and image.

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of room for dog, camping gear, or trips to Home Depot
AWD
Can go off roading
Safety and reliability
Price

+1. Car is a Swiss Army knife. Does everything well. Safe, reliable, decent mileage at a price I can afford.

Subaru's advertising makes me ill. I am not buying some car so I can find a tree to hug.

Plenty of room for dog, camping gear, or trips to Home Depot
AWD
Can go off roading
Safety and reliability
Price

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Anonymous wrote:Four wheel drive is essential for mountain ski trips.

Nope not true.

Maybe if you are going cross country skiing and need to get to a hard tp reach trail head but all of the ski areas are on major roads and the ski areas make sure they are clear because they can't sell lift tickets if you can't get there.

I grew up skiing in Colorado and we drove a Datsun station wagon.

The clerance difference between a car and an SUV is a few inches which makes no difference in.a big storn, most SUV's, believe it or not are 2WD, and every car slides on ice especially if you don't know how to drive which many SUV owners don't.

The best safety device for icy and snow packed roads is chains though most people driving luxury SUVs would never dirty themselves by putting them on.

But 4WD and AW2 is really overkill around here and both kill your gas mileage - we get the road conditions that require such cars every few years at best and in any case if you are concerned about safety the best thing you can do in conditions that require AWD is stay home.

There are lots of utilitarian cars with leg room that get better mileage than an Outback SUV.

But there isn't a car brand out there that so succesfully hoodwinks its liberal customers into believing you can be a progressive and drive a gas guzzling SUV.

Love

Wow unhinged much? A Subaru is a gas guzzling SUV???!

As for car brands that hoodwinks liberals - this is the Tesla. Electrical power in the US is dirty and those lithium ion batteries don’t come from fairy dust.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Four wheel drive is essential for mountain ski trips.

Nope not true.

Maybe if you are going cross country skiing and need to get to a hard tp reach trail head but all of the ski areas are on major roads and the ski areas make sure they are clear because they can't sell lift tickets if you can't get there.

I grew up skiing in Colorado and we drove a Datsun station wagon.

The clerance difference between a car and an SUV is a few inches which makes no difference in.a big storn, most SUV's, believe it or not are 2WD, and every car slides on ice especially if you don't know how to drive which many SUV owners don't.

The best safety device for icy and snow packed roads is chains though most people driving luxury SUVs would never dirty themselves by putting them on.

But 4WD and AW2 is really overkill around here and both kill your gas mileage - we get the road conditions that require such cars every few years at best and in any case if you are concerned about safety the best thing you can do in conditions that require AWD is stay home.

There are lots of utilitarian cars with leg room that get better mileage than an Outback SUV.

But there isn't a car brand out there that so succesfully hoodwinks its liberal customers into believing you can be a progressive and drive a gas guzzling SUV.

Love

You really nail it there.

The Outback is not an SUV