Anonymous wrote:+1. I hear you, but I think you're erring on the side of optimism about race on the Hill. Look at Brent. Their AA rate is close to falling into the single digits, not 20 years after it was almost entirely AA.

There must be some white parents who are privately thrilled.

Sadly, I think this is probably true, and may be more than "some."

I feel like the neighborhood parents (black and white) were more in it together 10-15 years ago. We obviously had racial tensions flare-up, or I observed white parents being oblivious to why black parents' would want different things from the schools (I'm neither white nor AA). More parents moved off the Hill if they felt differently in the past. Now families want a "flipped" school, and that makes me uncomfortable but may be better in the long run.

+1. I hear you, but I think you're erring on the side of optimism about race on the Hill. Look at Brent. Their AA rate is close to falling into the single digits, not 20 years after it was almost entirely AA.

There must be some white parents who are privately thrilled.

Anonymous wrote:Like I said Ludlow has a successful school for years. Go through the archives and you'll see lots of people claiming it's because of cheating, too much drilling, whatever. Any excuse to denigrate the students and teachers. Lots of white familes refusing to send their kids there and would send them to a lower performing school because there's more white students.

Some of us did send our kids there. We went for PK3 about 7-8 years ago and because of the negative experience switched our child out, as did every neighborhood family we knew (yes, most but not all of whom were white, if you're curious, but all of whom were highly (grad school) educated). This wasn't about race: We knew the racial composition of the school when we enrolled. I won't deny the the racial conflict played a role, with very racially contentious PTA meetings.

What I hear now from current parents is that things are hugely improved. No one has mentioned racial composition. They say their kids are learning and happy and engaged. That means that neighborhood families want to enroll, and because the neighborhood is predominantly white, that means more white students. But I really think that most people are looking for someplace that will educate their kids and make their kids happy, and race is not a high consideration. Anyone who didn't want their kids going to school with black kids wouldn't enroll in DCPS.

This white mom doesn't give a hoot about PARCC scores. The test if so poorly designed, absurdly long and developmentally inappropriate that by now it's been ditched by every single state that joined the PARCC Consortium in 2010, all 20 states. Only DC has stuck with the original PARCC. I cared about other things when I avoided Ludlow for PreK3 years back. If my kids were five or six years younger, we'd be at Ludlow.

Like I said Ludlow has a successful school for years. Go through the archives and you'll see lots of people claiming it's because of cheating, too much drilling, whatever. Any excuse to denigrate the students and teachers. Lots of white familes refusing to send their kids there and would send them to a lower performing school because there's more white students.

Not always. They had to claw their way to the top with a team of strong teachers and the former principal (before Bell) who helped put LT on the map. Bell and Smith has just maintained what she achieved.

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Anonymous wrote:Get a life, and a grip. The LT catchment area has gone from roughly half white to more than two-thirds in the last decade alone. We'll have up-to-date percentages once US Census results are released about 18 months hence.

Almost all white families in DC are UMC and well-educated, while in-boundary AA families can be wealthy, middle-class or very poor living in public or Section 8 housing.

With these demographics, of course DCPS elementary schools become higher-performing when their student populations become more white. Pointing this out is not necessarily racist, it's reality.

Except that LT has always been an outlier in the performance of AA test takers, at least since my family entered the school system in 2011. I acknowledge the achievement gap, but LT has always been a high performing school.

Anonymous wrote:YOU PEOPLE get your facts straight before posting!!! SH HAS THREE (I REPEAT "THREE") FEEDERS - WATKINS, JO WILSON AND LUDLOW-TAYLOR!!!

You are right. And they all could have MD boundary cheaters. My personal experience is only with Watkins in regards to SH.

DP- there are always cars with MD plates parked on 4th but also on 5th, E, and F dropping off and picking up. Always. It’s a joke at this point.

YOU PEOPLE get your facts straight before posting!!! SH HAS THREE (I REPEAT "THREE") FEEDERS - WATKINS, JO WILSON AND LUDLOW-TAYLOR!!!

Here is what I do know as a NP and a neighbor - there are a bunch of MD drivers who come down 4th from H and another group that cuts off MD to F and then quickly and dangerously rush past SWS to then end up in a huge clog to turn left onto 4th.

And then there are the rest of the middle schoolers, of all colors, arriving by bus and foot and bike and even skateboard.

I have a hard time believing that every child arriving by MD plated car is IB for SH. Because Watkins.

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Why don’t you take photos of license plates and anonymously report them to OSSE?

NP. Observing a license plate and a student walking in the school door isn't enough to file a report OSSE and the DC AG's office. You must report the student's name and grade (required fields on the tip form) and your reason for suspicion, which could include out of state plates.

https://osse.dc.gov/page/osse-suspicion-non-residency-form

NP. I wish the previous poster was exaggerating, but I walk by there in the mornings and notice a lot of MD plates as well.

How did you put it? "You obviously have no experience with SH." Are you referring to yourself? The student entrance is on 4th Street!!!!! Students are not allowed to enter the building on E, so unless they are accompanied by an adult (heading to the office) they are required to go to the 4th street entrance! OBVIOUSLY you know all about it!

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Why don’t you take photos of license plates and anonymously report them to OSSE?

NP. Observing a license plate and a student walking in the school door isn't enough to file a report OSSE and the DC AG's office. You must report the student's name and grade (required fields on the tip form) and your reason for suspicion, which could include out of state plates.

https://osse.dc.gov/page/osse-suspicion-non-residency-form

NP. I wish the previous poster was exaggerating, but I walk by there in the mornings and notice a lot of MD plates as well.

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Why don’t you take photos of license plates and anonymously report them to OSSE?

NP. Observing a license plate and a student walking in the school door isn't enough to file a report OSSE and the DC AG's office. You must report the student's name and grade (required fields on the tip form) and your reason for suspicion, which could include out of state plates.

https://osse.dc.gov/page/osse-suspicion-non-residency-form

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Why don’t you take photos of license plates and anonymously report them to OSSE?

Anonymous wrote:Get a life, and a grip. The LT catchment area has gone from roughly half white to more than two-thirds in the last decade alone. We'll have up-to-date percentages once US Census results are released about 18 months hence.

Almost all white families in DC are UMC and well-educated, while in-boundary AA families can be wealthy, middle-class or very poor living in public or Section 8 housing.

With these demographics, of course DCPS elementary schools become higher-performing when their student populations become more white. Pointing this out is not necessarily racist, it's reality.

Except that LT has always been an outlier in the performance of AA test takers, at least since my family entered the school system in 2011. I acknowledge the achievement gap, but LT has always been a high performing school.