Anonymous wrote:DP. I'm not an anti vaxxer. In fact, I am the opposite. I spend a lot of time working with an advocacy group trying to get important vaccination info out there.

Calling people trash is not helpful. It's the opposite actually. Unchecked anxiety, hysteria and name calling are not going to fix this problem.

+1. It actually feeds into the anti-vax narrative. It promotes an us vs. them mentality. Yes, they are wrong. Yes, absent legitimate medical reasons, children should be vaccinated. But just like a number of other choices, hostility is only going to return hostility. And the more attention this draws as a cultural, rather than scientific, issue, the worse it will be for everyone. It's not really different from the community shaming and abstinence only education strategy of reducing the harms of teen sex. Sure, society could exclude and shame anyone that engages in any consensual sexual activity outside of a legally defined monogamous relationship. If everyone abided by that kind of rule (not the shaming, but the confining their own activity), it would dramatically reduce the STI rates and unintended pregancies. And yet, promoting those policies has been shown to have the opposite effect. Similarly, it would be better if people did not engage in substance abuse. Calling addicts trash does not promote recovery or reduce addiction rates. The best case for both of those is enabling people to make the right choices for themselves, including reversing course when they make mistakes. It is much easier to admit that you were wrong about blueberry muffins being better than bananna nut, rather than some core principle like medical autonomy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

I specifically wanted a pediatrician who didn’t accepted antivaxxers or delay schedule families. I actually didn’t manage to find one. Most said that if a family didn’t get up to date, they probably would find that they weren’t a good fit and leave on their own.

But as a parent of a child with a LEGITIMATE medical exemption for one particular vaccine, I don’t buy thing one bit. We haven’t had an issue anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

The reality is that this a current outback of a disease that was supposed to be eradicated, due to people who choose not to vaccinate, the people who are forced not to vaccinate on the normal schedule will suffer the consequences. And for that, you have my sympathy. But when there are so many out there who simply choose not to vaccinate their kids because of some BS they read on facebook, antivaxxers are going to get shunned because it's how I protect my infant. I am genuinely for those caught in the crosshairs.

*this current outbreak

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Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

The reality is that this a current outback of a disease that was supposed to be eradicated, due to people who choose not to vaccinate, the people who are forced not to vaccinate on the normal schedule will suffer the consequences. And for that, you have my sympathy. But when there are so many out there who simply choose not to vaccinate their kids because of some BS they read on facebook, antivaxxers are going to get shunned because it's how I protect my infant. I am genuinely for those caught in the crosshairs.

I am super pro-vaccine parent with an UTD baby who will get measles vaccine next week and another older child who is UTD for all except DTaP which had to be switched over to DT due to a contraindication.

I proactively tell parents of infants about her status and don’t let my older child near infants who are 2 mos or younger.

I would assume that other parents wouldn’t mind hanging out with us due to her status, but feel free to respond if you think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

Nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

DP. I'm not an anti vaxxer. In fact, I am the opposite. I spend a lot of time working with an advocacy group trying to get important vaccination info out there.

Calling people trash is not helpful. It's the opposite actually. Unchecked anxiety, hysteria and name calling are not going to fix this problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

Then keep your kids at home. Should parents who don't use car seats properly also be charged with attempted manslaughter? Same with not feeding their kids "nutritious meal?" Or, parents who feed their kids formula - you know breast is best? When does the hysteria end? Get you kids vaccinated and get the blood test to make sure they are immunized and stop worrying about what others do.

I’m the original poster of this post. I see your uneducated, baiting, lowlife attempt at defending your antivaxxing, trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

That would be a catastrophe. Also, there is no such thing as attempted manslaughter. But that opens the door to prosecuting people who pass on the flu, strep, common colds to babies, norovirus, etc....all things that can have as grave or even graver consequences then measles or pertussis.

Vaccination is important. Herd immunity is important. But your POV is completely illogical and produces no results except making you feel superior. Again, congratulations on being a good citizen. But your logic, reasoning, and heart all need A LOT of work.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

Then keep your kids at home. Should parents who don't use car seats properly also be charged with attempted manslaughter? Same with not feeding their kids "nutritious meal?" Or, parents who feed their kids formula - you know breast is best? When does the hysteria end? Get you kids vaccinated and get the blood test to make sure they are immunized and stop worrying about what others do.

None of what you described 'endangers' anyone other than the child and family making the choice. False comparison.

Also, FWIW a lot of those things ARE prosecutable. It is illegal to not have a small child secured in a carseat. You will get pulled over and punished for that. If a child is malnourished, CPS will be called and the home investigated. The formula thing is just you trying to divert to another hot controversial topic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

Then keep your kids at home. Should parents who don't use car seats properly also be charged with attempted manslaughter? Same with not feeding their kids "nutritious meal?" Or, parents who feed their kids formula - you know breast is best? When does the hysteria end? Get you kids vaccinated and get the blood test to make sure they are immunized and stop worrying about what others do.

None of what you described 'endangers' anyone other than the child and family making the choice. False comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why people think that being vaccinated against the very small number of diseases there are vaccines for means that their kids won’t get sick in general. Strep throat can be very dangerous especially if not diagnosed but there’s no vaccine for that and it’s very contagious. And there are noriviruses that cause significant illness and are very contagious. I also don’t get why those who are so offended by anti backers don’t insist that the parents or nanny accompanying the in vaccinated or under vaccinated kid also get vaccinated. Do you really think the parents are all up to date on their vaccines when they accompany little parks for a play date? I doubt it.

Holy cow. Really?

Reasonable people know they and their kids will get sick but understand that vaccinating against those illnesses for which vaccines are available will avoid getting or at least minimize the effects of some serious bugs. Have you ever seen a serious case of measles or pertussis?

+1

Strep throat won't land your kid in an iron lung.

Accepting exposure to illnesses for which there are not vaccines is the cost of interacting with society. Intentionally making choices that you know will contribute to the rise of preventable communicable diseases is a decision for which the price is that society does not want to interact with you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

Then keep your kids at home. Should parents who don't use car seats properly also be charged with attempted manslaughter? Same with not feeding their kids "nutritious meal?" Or, parents who feed their kids formula - you know breast is best? When does the hysteria end? Get you kids vaccinated and get the blood test to make sure they are immunized and stop worrying about what others do.