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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely how I feel when I find out people have significant parental help in the form of house down payments (or full purchase price), tuition, completed 529’s, free trips to Hawaii, etc. It’s all very hush hush because they want it to seem like they aren’t getting that much help.

I'm not trying to seem like my father didn't pay for most things I had. I just ... don't really talk about money at all, either way. If you are scraping by and ONLY want to be friends with people who are also scraping by, then you need to find a way to say that. Otherwise, if you're cool, I'm going to try to be friends with you. I have friends who are a part-time bartender, a social worker, a paralegal, a tech chick, general counsel of a company, etc. I'll be friends with anyone whose personality I like. And yes, if that means we meet up to go for a walk because you can't afford anything until payday, then I'm cool with that. Or if you want to grab a slice of pizza and can't afford the fancy Italian restaurant, I'm fine with a slice.

But I shouldn't have to feel bad about what I was given. I work hard, I appreciate what I have, I donate. And I will raise my children to do the same. While yes, giving them the gift of not having to worry about money.

NP your parents should have given you additional classes in reading comprehension , the author did not explicitly state that she wants people like you to feel bad about what you were ‘given’or that she exclusively wanted her friends to be fellow scrappers , but rather lamented the dishonesty of her ex peers . She described it accurately when she recounted instances of friends who gave her the impression that they were similarly situated only to discover that it was far from the truth . Perhaps you can chalk it up to people like you not ‘talking about money ‘ which is your prerogative , but in this case , it appears that the author would’ve wanted her peers to be more forthcoming which is an understandable and logical expectation . I don’t think expecting a peer to say ‘ hey Susie , the only reason why I’m even pursuing this career path is because I have a lot of family help’ is too much to ask

You are absolutely insane to think that anyone owes someone else - especially a coworker - information about their finance. The logic that you think you are entitled to someone else’s personal information is mind boggling.

It’s mind boggling that the author thought what she was being told was frank and truthful ? It is mind boggling to you that the people she considered friends not the barista or the panhandler were pretending to go through what they knew wasn’t true ? Keep up with that mindset of thinking a moral compass can be bent or adjusted to suit your needs , with a little luck you might get the Felicity Huffman treatment some day .Out of curiosity, did you read the article at all?

I read the article. Noone was lying to her. They hung out with her but did not mention their money. Should they have snubbed her? Why should people talk about their financial situations. She got enraged when she realized they had financial advantages she did not.

Clearly the PP thinks only people of the same class should socialize.

Anonymous wrote:Class rage scares privileged DCUM folks. This thread is not going to end well.

The ruling class understands their own interests. They know what social and government policies are in their self-interest and which policies are not. They spend billions of dollars protecting their vulnerable power and privileges.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m feeling “rage” towards all the posts about working hard if you want to be rich. Hard work is only one part of the equation. Race, gender, mental illness, country of origin etc are also very important.

Yes they are. And you sound like a silver spooner who chose to pursue a pseudo degree that allows you to rage but not succeed.

Actually I’m an immigrant from a lower middle class family. Maybe you need to go stick that silver spoon somewhere.

Legal or illegal?

Anonymous wrote:<We have choices.> This is class war. This is a class struggle, a community struggle against institutions that do not foster the positive growth of children or adults. The work needing to be done is significant, requiring community education and organizing.

Keep in mind that most of the people around you are well-meaning but indoctrinated. You can't expect them to understand that they are enslaved. Build small movements which can create new, democratic institutions.

Spasibo tovarish.

Class rage scares privileged DCUM folks. This thread is not going to end well.

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Anonymous wrote:Author is pretty stupid if she thinks she can pursue a BFA. That's a huge luxury. Taking on debt for a BFA, she knew what she was doing -- she was just choosing to do something really stupid (in her circumstance)

Art is not a luxury! I got my BFA and MFA and I have German cars (referencing another PP), a nice SFH in a close-in suburb, retirement accounts, and college savings for my kids. Zero help from my parents after high school. Author just seems out of touch and unable to monetize her malaise.

Art is a luxury

A friend of mine also has her MFA and as a graphic designer got laid off during the dot com bust, became an independent contractor, became a single mother not by choice, and ... constantly scrambled for work, never had health insurance, and could barely afford her computer to do her work. let alone do continuing education to keep up with advances in graphic design. She is now stuck being a part-time bartender, despite having a Master's degree. She is barely making it. I don't think she ever has enough money to pay rent on time.

There’s more to the story here. In 17 years she has been unable to provide better stability for herself than being a PT bartender?

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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely how I feel when I find out people have significant parental help in the form of house down payments (or full purchase price), tuition, completed 529’s, free trips to Hawaii, etc. It’s all very hush hush because they want it to seem like they aren’t getting that much help.

I'm not trying to seem like my father didn't pay for most things I had. I just ... don't really talk about money at all, either way. If you are scraping by and ONLY want to be friends with people who are also scraping by, then you need to find a way to say that. Otherwise, if you're cool, I'm going to try to be friends with you. I have friends who are a part-time bartender, a social worker, a paralegal, a tech chick, general counsel of a company, etc. I'll be friends with anyone whose personality I like. And yes, if that means we meet up to go for a walk because you can't afford anything until payday, then I'm cool with that. Or if you want to grab a slice of pizza and can't afford the fancy Italian restaurant, I'm fine with a slice.

But I shouldn't have to feel bad about what I was given. I work hard, I appreciate what I have, I donate. And I will raise my children to do the same. While yes, giving them the gift of not having to worry about money.

NP your parents should have given you additional classes in reading comprehension , the author did not explicitly state that she wants people like you to feel bad about what you were ‘given’or that she exclusively wanted her friends to be fellow scrappers , but rather lamented the dishonesty of her ex peers . She described it accurately when she recounted instances of friends who gave her the impression that they were similarly situated only to discover that it was far from the truth . Perhaps you can chalk it up to people like you not ‘talking about money ‘ which is your prerogative , but in this case , it appears that the author would’ve wanted her peers to be more forthcoming which is an understandable and logical expectation . I don’t think expecting a peer to say ‘ hey Susie , the only reason why I’m even pursuing this career path is because I have a lot of family help’ is too much to ask

You are absolutely insane to think that anyone owes someone else - especially a coworker - information about their finance. The logic that you think you are entitled to someone else’s personal information is mind boggling.

It’s mind boggling that the author thought what she was being told was frank and truthful ? It is mind boggling to you that the people she considered friends not the barista or the panhandler were pretending to go through what they knew wasn’t true ? Keep up with that mindset of thinking a moral compass can be bent or adjusted to suit your needs , with a little luck you might get the Felicity Huffman treatment some day .Out of curiosity, did you read the article at all?

Yea, you are definitely insane. Again NO ONE owes you insight into their financial situation. It is so bizarre that you think otherwise. You need to work on that chip on your shoulder and stop being envious of the lifestyle of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Author is pretty stupid if she thinks she can pursue a BFA. That's a huge luxury. Taking on debt for a BFA, she knew what she was doing -- she was just choosing to do something really stupid (in her circumstance)

Art is not a luxury! I got my BFA and MFA and I have German cars (referencing another PP), a nice SFH in a close-in suburb, retirement accounts, and college savings for my kids. Zero help from my parents after high school. Author just seems out of touch and unable to monetize her malaise.

Art is a luxury

A friend of mine also has her MFA and as a graphic designer got laid off during the dot com bust, became an independent contractor, became a single mother not by choice, and ... constantly scrambled for work, never had health insurance, and could barely afford her computer to do her work. let alone do continuing education to keep up with advances in graphic design. She is now stuck being a part-time bartender, despite having a Master's degree. She is barely making it. I don't think she ever has enough money to pay rent on time.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m feeling “rage” towards all the posts about working hard if you want to be rich. Hard work is only one part of the equation. Race, gender, mental illness, country of origin etc are also very important.

Yes they are. And you sound like a silver spooner who chose to pursue a pseudo degree that allows you to rage but not succeed.

Actually I’m an immigrant from a lower middle class family. Maybe you need to go stick that silver spoon somewhere.

Anonymous wrote:I’m feeling “rage” towards all the posts about working hard if you want to be rich. Hard work is only one part of the equation. Race, gender, mental illness, country of origin etc are also very important.

Yes they are. And you sound like a silver spooner who chose to pursue a pseudo degree that allows you to rage but not succeed.

I could only get a few paragraphs in before I found myself rolling my eyes and had to bail. No one likes a whiner.

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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely how I feel when I find out people have significant parental help in the form of house down payments (or full purchase price), tuition, completed 529’s, free trips to Hawaii, etc. It’s all very hush hush because they want it to seem like they aren’t getting that much help.

I'm not trying to seem like my father didn't pay for most things I had. I just ... don't really talk about money at all, either way. If you are scraping by and ONLY want to be friends with people who are also scraping by, then you need to find a way to say that. Otherwise, if you're cool, I'm going to try to be friends with you. I have friends who are a part-time bartender, a social worker, a paralegal, a tech chick, general counsel of a company, etc. I'll be friends with anyone whose personality I like. And yes, if that means we meet up to go for a walk because you can't afford anything until payday, then I'm cool with that. Or if you want to grab a slice of pizza and can't afford the fancy Italian restaurant, I'm fine with a slice.

But I shouldn't have to feel bad about what I was given. I work hard, I appreciate what I have, I donate. And I will raise my children to do the same. While yes, giving them the gift of not having to worry about money.

NP your parents should have given you additional classes in reading comprehension , the author did not explicitly state that she wants people like you to feel bad about what you were ‘given’or that she exclusively wanted her friends to be fellow scrappers , but rather lamented the dishonesty of her ex peers . She described it accurately when she recounted instances of friends who gave her the impression that they were similarly situated only to discover that it was far from the truth . Perhaps you can chalk it up to people like you not ‘talking about money ‘ which is your prerogative , but in this case , it appears that the author would’ve wanted her peers to be more forthcoming which is an understandable and logical expectation . I don’t think expecting a peer to say ‘ hey Susie , the only reason why I’m even pursuing this career path is because I have a lot of family help’ is too much to ask

You are absolutely insane to think that anyone owes someone else - especially a coworker - information about their finance. The logic that you think you are entitled to someone else’s personal information is mind boggling.

It’s mind boggling that the author thought what she was being told was frank and truthful ? It is mind boggling to you that the people she considered friends not the barista or the panhandler were pretending to go through what they knew wasn’t true ? Keep up with that mindset of thinking a moral compass can be bent or adjusted to suit your needs , with a little luck you might get the Felicity Huffman treatment some day .Out of curiosity, did you read the article at all?

I read the article. Noone was lying to her. They hung out with her but did not mention their money. Should they have snubbed her? Why should people talk about their financial situations. She got enraged when she realized they had financial advantages she did not.

<We have choices.> This is class war. This is a class struggle, a community struggle against institutions that do not foster the positive growth of children or adults. The work needing to be done is significant, requiring community education and organizing.

Keep in mind that most of the people around you are well-meaning but indoctrinated. You can't expect them to understand that they are enslaved. Build small movements which can create new, democratic institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:Author is pretty stupid if she thinks she can pursue a BFA. That's a huge luxury. Taking on debt for a BFA, she knew what she was doing -- she was just choosing to do something really stupid (in her circumstance)

Art is not a luxury! I got my BFA and MFA and I have German cars (referencing another PP), a nice SFH in a close-in suburb, retirement accounts, and college savings for my kids. Zero help from my parents after high school. Author just seems out of touch and unable to monetize her malaise.

Art is a luxury

Anonymous wrote:She is ridiculous. I didn’t grow up with money. But I knew I wanted a certain lifestyle. So I went in to a high paying field. And made a good salary and met my spouse who was in a similar high paying field. I didn’t follow my dream or passion. I did what would yield the most $. People make different choices. Some are born lucky. Some make a ton of money being in the right place at the right time. Some people work really really hard. I am happy to pay my taxes and support a strong safety net. But her class rage is totally ridiculous.

Yes and no. I grew up with a teacher and a factory worker for parents and was jealous of kids with money. I did well in HS, got merit scholarships to a private college, chose a high paying major (engineering), did co-ops to pay for my tuition junior and senior year, lived in the Midwest with roommates for almost 10 years before moving to DC and marrying a guy from a well off but not wealthy family. So on one hand I am like “boo hoo, you picked one of the lowest paid jobs in one of the most expensive cities, what did you expect?” I could say the same about many of the non-profit jobs in DC .

On the other hand, if you didn’t grow up at least exposed to rich kids you might not know how the game is played. You may not realize that everyone around you is getting help until it’s too late - you spent the money on grad school, picked a career, etc. Then you find out that everyone else has been getting help all along it must feel like a sucker punch.

I currently have an coworker who is struggling to figure out to send her son to a mediocre regional college and he wants to study graphic design. Seriously? That is not a major for a kid who will graduate with $$$ debt. It’s not my place to say anything because I don’t know her well, but I feel bad. I feel bad that some professions in our society are basically off limits to middle class kids and that no one tells them.