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I don't know about that thread, or what a New Hampshire Estate is. But, there is a tipping point in schools wrt low income kids, and there are empirical studies that show that if the low SES percentage stays below it, the high SES kids will generally perform well, no matter what. But if a school gets past that tipping point, the performance of *all* students seems to suffer. For most people, it's about outcomes, not finding rich friends.

And no, I don't have a link to the studies. Sorry.

It's not socioeconomic status. It's just plain economic status. The studies are about poverty.

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It's not "SES peer cohort".. it's "academic peer cohort" which doesn't mean that they are all not low income. Calm down. You're making a big stink out of nothing.

Yeah no, it has zero to do with academic cohort. Its about SES, making sure that their kids are around kids with educated parents, not food insecure, no drop out siblings, parents are employed/not in jail etc There was a thread a while back with someone asking about New Hampshire Estates and all the posters nearby made a huge deal that the school is too poor so the OP's kids would have a hard time finding friends.

I don't know about that thread, or what a New Hampshire Estate is. But, there is a tipping point in schools wrt low income kids, and there are empirical studies that show that if the low SES percentage stays below it, the high SES kids will generally perform well, no matter what. But if a school gets past that tipping point, the performance of *all* students seems to suffer. For most people, it's about outcomes, not finding rich friends.

And no, I don't have a link to the studies. Sorry.

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Both of these are very true which is the rub

If you start moving kids from high poverty schools to other schools. People in the other schools are more likely to move or go private. I honestly don't know what the solution out of this one is.

There will always be poor people and they will always be clustered in certain school areas because again most people who can move to another school pyramid or go private.

Our land use and transportation patterns are the result of deliberate policy choices. They didn't just happen, like the weather.

The detrimental effects of poverty on children's health and children's learning are also the result of deliberate policy choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I am in MoCo and all my AA friends have nicer and bigger houses and cars than me. I am a white immigrant and have less than many minority families I know. People are just stupid and racist.

Having a nice car and big house on the bad side of town doesn’t mean that much.

Another example of racism. I live in a pretty nice area. No, not Potomac, I would never live there even if I could. Houses do not go under 600K here, but I am sure you are the (S)Whitman pp who is nothing but a nasty bigot and racist and looks down on people who earn their own way in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Again no one has a problem with high achieving African american or Hispanic kids in schools

issue around here is most of the poor folks are either African american or hispanic

Actually plenty of people have a problem, starting with the assumption that there aren't any.

But if you're trying to make the point that people aren't trying to exclude black/Hispanic kids from the public schools their kids go to, they're trying to exclude poor kids from the public schools their kids go to - you know what? That's not any better.

Why is it okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of wealth and privilege but NOT okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids? Both of those environments have distinct set of issues that most parents like myself and understandably so, would want to avoid. I'm a minority by the way, in a diverse school that is 28% FARMS. We moved away from a school that was over 50% FARMS and don't feel guilty about it.

Nobody wants their kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids - including the parents of poor kids. High-poverty schools are bad for kids' education. Which is why the county government and school board should enact policies that reduce the numbers of kids in high-poverty schools.

And until that happens, families with the means to do so, will continue to avoid high poverty schools.

Anonymous wrote:I am in MoCo and all my AA friends have nicer and bigger houses and cars than me. I am a white immigrant and have less than many minority families I know. People are just stupid and racist.

Having a nice car and big house on the bad side of town doesn’t mean that much.

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Anonymous wrote:Again no one has a problem with high achieving African american or Hispanic kids in schools

issue around here is most of the poor folks are either African american or hispanic

Actually plenty of people have a problem, starting with the assumption that there aren't any.

But if you're trying to make the point that people aren't trying to exclude black/Hispanic kids from the public schools their kids go to, they're trying to exclude poor kids from the public schools their kids go to - you know what? That's not any better.

Why is it okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of wealth and privilege but NOT okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids? Both of those environments have distinct set of issues that most parents like myself and understandably so, would want to avoid. I'm a minority by the way, in a diverse school that is 28% FARMS. We moved away from a school that was over 50% FARMS and don't feel guilty about it.

Nobody wants their kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids - including the parents of poor kids. High-poverty schools are bad for kids' education. Which is why the county government and school board should enact policies that reduce the numbers of kids in high-poverty schools.

Both of these are very true which is the rub

If you start moving kids from high poverty schools to other schools. People in the other schools are more likely to move or go private. I honestly don't know what the solution out of this one is.

There will always be poor people and they will always be clustered in certain school areas because again most people who can move to another school pyramid or go private.

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Anonymous wrote:Limousine liberals, racists at heart.

I suppose being a conservative outright racist is a bit better.

It's all the same, if it quacks like a duck....I remember when Chris Rock said that racism is everywhere he would n't be surprised if Regis Philbin saw him on the street and spat at him.

I am in MoCo and all my AA friends have nicer and bigger houses and cars than me. I am a white immigrant and have less than many minority families I know. People are just stupid and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Again no one has a problem with high achieving African american or Hispanic kids in schools

issue around here is most of the poor folks are either African american or hispanic

Actually plenty of people have a problem, starting with the assumption that there aren't any.

But if you're trying to make the point that people aren't trying to exclude black/Hispanic kids from the public schools their kids go to, they're trying to exclude poor kids from the public schools their kids go to - you know what? That's not any better.

Why is it okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of wealth and privilege but NOT okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids? Both of those environments have distinct set of issues that most parents like myself and understandably so, would want to avoid. I'm a minority by the way, in a diverse school that is 28% FARMS. We moved away from a school that was over 50% FARMS and don't feel guilty about it.

Nobody wants their kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids - including the parents of poor kids. High-poverty schools are bad for kids' education. Which is why the county government and school board should enact policies that reduce the numbers of kids in high-poverty schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Again no one has a problem with high achieving African american or Hispanic kids in schools

issue around here is most of the poor folks are either African american or hispanic

Actually plenty of people have a problem, starting with the assumption that there aren't any.

But if you're trying to make the point that people aren't trying to exclude black/Hispanic kids from the public schools their kids go to, they're trying to exclude poor kids from the public schools their kids go to - you know what? That's not any better.

Why is it okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of wealth and privilege but NOT okay to say that we don't want our kids to go to a school with lots of poor kids? Both of those environments have distinct set of issues that most parents like myself and understandably so, would want to avoid. I'm a minority by the way, in a diverse school that is 28% FARMS. We moved away from a school that was over 50% FARMS and don't feel guilty about it.

Agreed. These are purely the choices of individual families.

Sure, but local government and school boards need to be watching out for the good of the community, not individual families seeking segregated environments. It is better for the community to have integrated schools, which makes it a worthwhile policy goal.

The choices that individual families make within that system are their own.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Limousine liberals, racists at heart.

I suppose being a conservative outright racist is a bit better.

That's what Hannity says and he should know.

Anonymous wrote:Limousine liberals, racists at heart.

I suppose being a conservative outright racist is a bit better.

Anonymous wrote:Limousine liberals, racists at heart.

Who rides in limousines?

Limousine liberals, racists at heart.