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Anonymous wrote:How do they annul a marriage if it wasn't valid in the first place? She was underaged, and they used fake documents to lie about her age. I don't understand how anyone can side with or defend this POS.

There are so many videos mocking what's happened. I was shocked by Chance the Rapper's comment about how he didn't believe the accusers because they were black women. Someone asked about change. It needs to start within the AA community. Stop protecting these monster's and making excuses for them.

I thought he was saying that black women are too often not believed in cases like this, not that he didn't believe these black women.

I think his interview was edited, but he did say that. He posted the full interview this weekend and he said “We’re programmed to really be hypersensitive to black male oppression … But black women are exponentially [a] higher oppressed and violated group of people just in comparison to the whole world. Maybe I didn’t care because I didn’t value the accusers’ stories because they were black women. Usually, n—-s that get in trouble for s— like this on their magnitude of celebrity, it’s light-skinned women or white women. That’s when it’s a big story. I’ve never really seen any pictures of R. Kelly’s accusers”

I think he’s explaining what he thought at the time when he worked with Kelly versus now. He viewed Kelly through the lense of an oppressed man. It seems more like he just wouldn’t consider who the victims were and give them the benefit of the doubt because it was more important to believe Kelly based on society’s treatment of black men.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/chance-the-rapper-apologizes-for-taking-this-long-to-r-kelly-survivors/

I do think his use of the word accuser is telling. If he really believed the women, I think he’d say victim as others have.

His comments really are the epitome of why Kelly has gotten to where he is (even though he is openly a predator) and why so many women aren’t believed when they are assaulted.

Anonymous wrote:How do they annul a marriage if it wasn't valid in the first place? She was underaged, and they used fake documents to lie about her age. I don't understand how anyone can side with or defend this POS.

There are so many videos mocking what's happened. I was shocked by Chance the Rapper's comment about how he didn't believe the accusers because they were black women. Someone asked about change. It needs to start within the AA community. Stop protecting these monster's and making excuses for them.

I thought he was saying that black women are too often not believed in cases like this, not that he didn't believe these black women.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
https://youtu.be/fAtg40IZh0Q
They say the video is from 2017. Now, his people could have put this out because multiple places are posting the video now. Not a good look for her in any case.

Even if his people put this out it’s still her. Is this the same thing where she calls the other women liars? The video looks like it was cut off in the end so she didn’t say it in that clip. I haven’t seen this discussed in any of the articles I read about the show. Has she responded to all of the postings?

You can see the longer video linked in the first comment. She goes on to give family and relationship advice, to put it nicely, but doesn't call anyone a liar in the clip. She says she celebrates him, he is family, and you can't talk about him, but she can. I have not seen any response from her.

I hope someone calls her on this. She ranted and raved in the series about people around him protecting him. Well welcome to the club Andrea.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
https://youtu.be/fAtg40IZh0Q

They say the video is from 2017. Now, his people could have put this out because multiple places are posting the video now. Not a good look for her in any case.

Even if his people put this out it’s still her. Is this the same thing where she calls the other women liars? The video looks like it was cut off in the end so she didn’t say it in that clip. I haven’t seen this discussed in any of the articles I read about the show. Has she responded to all of the postings?

You can see the longer video linked in the first comment. She goes on to give family and relationship advice, to put it nicely, but doesn't call anyone a liar in the clip. She says she celebrates him, he is family, and you can't talk about him, but she can. I have not seen any response from her.

How do they annul a marriage if it wasn't valid in the first place? She was underaged, and they used fake documents to lie about her age. I don't understand how anyone can side with or defend this POS.

There are so many videos mocking what's happened. I was shocked by Chance the Rapper's comment about how he didn't believe the accusers because they were black women. Someone asked about change. It needs to start within the AA community. Stop protecting these monster's and making excuses for them.

Anonymous wrote:I have only watched the first episode all the way through, but did anyone catch that the bodyguard insinuated that the marriage to Aaliyah was due to a possible pregnancy?

Yes, I think it may come up again in the second video. Not sure if that was the same guy who said he forged the documents for Aaliyah saying she was 18. I thought it was the same person.

Anonymous wrote:
https://youtu.be/fAtg40IZh0Q

They say the video is from 2017. Now, his people could have put this out because multiple places are posting the video now. Not a good look for her in any case.

Even if his people put this out it’s still her. Is this the same thing where she calls the other women liars? The video looks like it was cut off in the end so she didn’t say it in that clip. I haven’t seen this discussed in any of the articles I read about the show. Has she responded to all of the postings?

I have only watched the first episode all the way through, but did anyone catch that the bodyguard insinuated that the marriage to Aaliyah was due to a possible pregnancy?

https://youtu.be/fAtg40IZh0Q

They say the video is from 2017. Now, his people could have put this out because multiple places are posting the video now. Not a good look for her in any case.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she had to know something. He was in a very public trial. There have been pee jokes for years. Their kids are grown. I'm sure other kids said something and it got back home. I think she enjoyed the lifestyle and was in love. Remember, he divorced her. He said he watched The Notebook and realized he did not love his wife like that and could not continue the marriage. To say the man has issues is an understatement.

The trial happened after they were separated I believe. I read an article that was written when the trial was taking place and it mentioned that there were no friends and family at the trial and specifically stated that "his wife, who is divorcing him, was absent."

His ex-wife was one of his dancers. He married her after the marriage to Aaliyah was annulled. She has social media posts calling the accusers liars and telling people to go to his concerts. Her act now is just that, an act.

They divorced in 2009. When was she calling his accusers liars? Wonder if he paid her off to make those statements.

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Anonymous wrote:PLEASE people don’t let the only argument or comment you have after seeing this documentary be “I blame the parents” or “but he been like that.” This world is so sad! The only thing that should be said now is “how do we get justice” or “how can I support the Me Too movement.” How can we stop monsters like this from continuing to hurt women!!!? First thing you can do is stop listening/buying/steaming his music. No need to fund and or support this nasty MFer. Sit down and teach your kids that there are monsters like him everywhere and how to identify if someone may be in a similar situation.

I agree with you and hear you. But the parents play a strong role in this and many of the other adults. When we see something wrong or strange we have to speak up. It’s nice to scream me too but when the rubber meets the road people have to stand up and not turn a blind eye. We cannot be blinded by money or fame.

You stop this by stopping the money. The #muteRKelly might be the only way he is ever stopped. As long as he can offer people the promise of fame and fortune, this will continue.

I also have to say I am disappointed that Aaliyah's family keeps denying the nature of their relationship. On some level, that is allowing him to continue this. Same with the young lady who was in "the video". The refused to ID her in court. EVERYONE knows it is her. Giving him plausible deniability only hurts more girls and women in the long run.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she had to know something. He was in a very public trial. There have been pee jokes for years. Their kids are grown. I'm sure other kids said something and it got back home. I think she enjoyed the lifestyle and was in love. Remember, he divorced her. He said he watched The Notebook and realized he did not love his wife like that and could not continue the marriage. To say the man has issues is an understatement.

The trial happened after they were separated I believe. I read an article that was written when the trial was taking place and it mentioned that there were no friends and family at the trial and specifically stated that "his wife, who is divorcing him, was absent."

His ex-wife was one of his dancers. He married her after the marriage to Aaliyah was annulled. She has social media posts calling the accusers liars and telling people to go to his concerts. Her act now is just that, an act.

Couldn't it also be that she was just as brainwashed by him as all the other girls when she made the earlier posts?
The man is truly a monster

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Anonymous wrote:Not to derail the thread or anything but why isn't Tyga also considered a pedophile since he was messing around with Kylie while she was 15, and he was 25 or so? He is also disgusting.

Both Aliyah and Kylie have pimp parents. They did go far in life though with using their bodies. Too bad Aliyah died young because she was on the path to make a sextape with R Kelly or some other sugar daddy. A big loss for porn channels. Tyga is indeed a pedophile with the blessing of the momager pimp and the transexual father.

What? No. Stop.

Anonymous wrote:PLEASE people don’t let the only argument or comment you have after seeing this documentary be “I blame the parents” or “but he been like that.” This world is so sad! The only thing that should be said now is “how do we get justice” or “how can I support the Me Too movement.” How can we stop monsters like this from continuing to hurt women!!!? First thing you can do is stop listening/buying/steaming his music. No need to fund and or support this nasty MFer. Sit down and teach your kids that there are monsters like him everywhere and how to identify if someone may be in a similar situation.

I agree with you and hear you. But the parents play a strong role in this and many of the other adults. When we see something wrong or strange we have to speak up. It’s nice to scream me too but when the rubber meets the road people have to stand up and not turn a blind eye. We cannot be blinded by money or fame.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she had to know something. He was in a very public trial. There have been pee jokes for years. Their kids are grown. I'm sure other kids said something and it got back home. I think she enjoyed the lifestyle and was in love. Remember, he divorced her. He said he watched The Notebook and realized he did not love his wife like that and could not continue the marriage. To say the man has issues is an understatement.

The trial happened after they were separated I believe. I read an article that was written when the trial was taking place and it mentioned that there were no friends and family at the trial and specifically stated that "his wife, who is divorcing him, was absent."

His ex-wife was one of his dancers. He married her after the marriage to Aaliyah was annulled. She has social media posts calling the accusers liars and telling people to go to his concerts. Her act now is just that, an act.