Anonymous
12/12/2018 20:54
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have never looked at anybody’s grades when hiring them as I have found that common sense is most important and a whole lot of really “smart” people are extra stupid about basic shit, and most jobs require some training anyway.
Thanks for chiming in, Goldman Sachs VP...Nobody cares who you hire at your backwater company. Every company worth its salt has STANDARDS – and a limited amount of free time to filter thru resumes, make callbacks, conduct interviews, perform background checks. In your fantasy land every kids gets a fair shake and there's an infinite amount of free time.
Nope, at my large company we don't ask for grades, because again, that shit doesn't matter if you are stupid and can't figure out how to call IT if your computer doesn't power up.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 20:47
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
B’s used to be considered above average and a good grade. USNWR and all the money grubbers in the college industry have profited off the college insanity that they themselves started. Some of the most elite schools are the worst offenders.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 18:46
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
DP. They, probably, are, but it is not the point. And the point is, there are always fewer coveted spots than there are applicants, so if your uncle doesn't sit on the company's board and/or you aren't at an Ivy making good grades, your access to certain well-paid jobs will be somewhat restricted.
This is not to say that these jobs will necessarily lead to one's happiness and personal fullfillment, but if getting the job is your current goal..
There are plenty of high paying jobs for everyone. I wouldn’t stress about this. Most people don’t attend Ivy League schools.
That's just something that people with lousy grades say.
My DD is a straight A student at a highly regarded DCUM school. I don't think she's ever gotten a B in any class EVER, in fact. She's not marketable at this point, with the skills they taught. They did nothing to prepare her for real-world.
That sounds a little strange. My DC graduated this year with a non-Ivy liberal arts degree and not only got a high paying consulting job but got tons of interviews from a range of companies (consulting, e-commerce, etc). DC didn't have an computer science or engineering skills but is a well rounded smart kid with high grades. So unless your DD is aiming for something she's totally unqualified for it seems odd that she isn't able to find a job in this market.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 14:02
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In high demand fields it only matters if your degree is from an accredited institution and you have a good personality (interview well)
This forum is overrun with directional U tailgate state slums repeating this absurd BS. Go back to college confidential. [/quote
Yes you made me LMAO! Agree! And to the poster who says they don't hire Ivy grads...please tell me the business so I can avoid dealing with it. Anyone who fears excellence scares me and reminds me they want to dummy state u
Anonymous
12/12/2018 13:51
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:I read the print edition when it came out and threw the paper on the floor. It's super easy for a white man to say grades don't matter. Sorry they do for everyone else. There are fewer women CEOs than there were even 10 years ago.
? I don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand.
And many have done a really terrible job, but that is a completely different subject.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 13:47
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
I read the print edition when it came out and threw the paper on the floor. It's super easy for a white man to say grades don't matter. Sorry they do for everyone else. There are fewer women CEOs than there were even 10 years ago.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 13:46
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.
yeah but try getting into med school in the first place with average grades.
Yup, a family member went to a good college and got middle of the road grades and could not get into med school. Tried a few times.
Meh. One of my closest lifelong friends had middling grades at a state college, and her non-degrees mother filled out all her med school apps. I witnessed that with my own eyes and nearly keeled over. That friend is now a doctor with a solid reputation, and does very well.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 13:33
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
I think that some of you are missing the point of the article.
Author is not talking about 4+ GPA vs. 2.5 GPA.
It is about kids who are fixated on 100% As vs. kids with mostly As and maybe a couple of Bs and A-s sprinkled in.
They are all hard working and smart kids but the ones who are not obsessed with being valedictorian probably have a more interesting story.
Don’t forget that you usually learn more from setbacks than victories.
Author is not talking about 4+ GPA vs. 2.5 GPA.
It is about kids who are fixated on 100% As vs. kids with mostly As and maybe a couple of Bs and A-s sprinkled in.
They are all hard working and smart kids but the ones who are not obsessed with being valedictorian probably have a more interesting story.
Don’t forget that you usually learn more from setbacks than victories.
Anonymous
12/12/2018 13:27
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
DP. They, probably, are, but it is not the point. And the point is, there are always fewer coveted spots than there are applicants, so if your uncle doesn't sit on the company's board and/or you aren't at an Ivy making good grades, your access to certain well-paid jobs will be somewhat restricted.
This is not to say that these jobs will necessarily lead to one's happiness and personal fullfillment, but if getting the job is your current goal..
There are plenty of high paying jobs for everyone. I wouldn’t stress about this. Most people don’t attend Ivy League schools.
That's just something that people with lousy grades say.
My DD is a straight A student at a highly regarded DCUM school. I don't think she's ever gotten a B in any class EVER, in fact. She's not marketable at this point, with the skills they taught. They did nothing to prepare her for real-world.
What is she majoring in? Didn't she do any internships? When I'm hiring new grads and interns, I'm looking at grades but also projects they have done in class that relate to our work and prior job experience. (FWIW, I don't at all about a prestigious college)
If her classes are all theoretical and aren't bringing in any significant project work that she can talk about in interviews then I'd agree that's on the school, probably focused on getting their students into grad school rather than employment. But, if she hasn't done any work/internships, that's not the school's fault, that's on her. Also, if classes aren't offering work-related experiences, she could also get that through various student organizations. Again, that's on the student.
She had no connections for internships. She applied for a lot. It’s who you know
Anonymous
12/12/2018 12:41
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
DP. They, probably, are, but it is not the point. And the point is, there are always fewer coveted spots than there are applicants, so if your uncle doesn't sit on the company's board and/or you aren't at an Ivy making good grades, your access to certain well-paid jobs will be somewhat restricted.
This is not to say that these jobs will necessarily lead to one's happiness and personal fullfillment, but if getting the job is your current goal..
There are plenty of high paying jobs for everyone. I wouldn’t stress about this. Most people don’t attend Ivy League schools.
That's just something that people with lousy grades say.
My DD is a straight A student at a highly regarded DCUM school. I don't think she's ever gotten a B in any class EVER, in fact. She's not marketable at this point, with the skills they taught. They did nothing to prepare her for real-world.
So what is she studying? Also, colleges don't necessarily try to teach "skills."
Anonymous
12/12/2018 12:16
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
For us, there’s a minimum threshold we’ll consider (3.3 usually) but once you meet that, it’s just not that important in our hiring decision whether you’re a 3.4 or a 3.95. EQ, relevant experience, work samples, and references are far, far more important.