Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 16:02     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, he won't resign and he'll seek reelection, because he knows as soon as he's not President, he will be indicted.

Which brings us to the main issue here - why should there be a DOJ policy that the President cannot be charged with a crime? Surely there must be a limit to that. I'm afraid, though, that with a Trump appointee as AG, that rule will not be re-examined.

I think they’ll revisit that policy once President Treason is shown.


I don't know. I had the pleasure of watching Fox News yesterday after the Cohen and Manafort memos dropped and they were in total spin/denial mode. Remember it took audio tapes of Nixon engaging in a cover up, despite mountains of evidence, testimony and the Saturday Night Massacre, before he resigned. And even then it took Republican Senators to tell him he was doomed before he actually resigned.

I just don't see that happening today.


News of Watergate and maybe even Nixon’s role broke before the elections and he was re-elected. It also required some of his closest advisors testifying against him/leaking the story.

Slow Burn is a great podcast. Also left me with the feeling that the only way is to elect Trump out.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 14:25     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
No, he won't resign and he'll seek reelection, because he knows as soon as he's not President, he will be indicted.

Which brings us to the main issue here - why should there be a DOJ policy that the President cannot be charged with a crime? Surely there must be a limit to that. I'm afraid, though, that with a Trump appointee as AG, that rule will not be re-examined.

I think they’ll revisit that policy once President Treason is shown.


I think they've already revisited that policy but haven't publicized the fact. Taken to its logical extreme---it's a lousy policy: is DOJ really willing to say that if the president strangled his wife, then no one could do anything until either his term was over or Congress impeached him.? The refusal of the Republican congress to hold Trump accountable for anything over the last two years has demonstrated the fallacy of that policy, which was predicated on the belief that if a president had really committed indictable crimes, a responsible legislative branch would remove him.
I have believed for some time, and still believe, that the Trump presidency could very well result in the Supreme Court having to rule on two questions:
(1) can a sitting president be indicted for a crime and
(2) does the presidential pardon power extend to matters in which the president is a co-conspirator.

And given the way Jeff Sessions was continuously berated and humiliated by Trump over the last 18 months, it would be poetic justice if Sessions had jettisoned that policy privately while Trump was eviscerating him publicly.


Agree. I actually think the Sealed vs. Sealed case going on in the DC Circuit, with the one Trump-appointed judge who recused himself, has something to do with this. See page 4 of this thread: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/765193.page
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:51     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:He's not going to resign no matter how many McMuffins come with the deal. If he had the sense, honor, dignity, intelligence or class (pick two from five) we wouldn't be here in the first place. He's going to have to be dragged out kicking and screaming and trying to open his umbrella.
I meant that proverbially of course
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:50     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
He's not going to resign no matter how many McMuffins come with the deal. If he had the sense, honor, dignity, intelligence or class (pick two from five) we wouldn't be here in the first place. He's going to have to be dragged out kicking and screaming and trying to open his umbrella.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:40     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just my guess....Mueller will indict his sketchy kids. There will be an under-the-table deal made. Trump resigns to keep his kids out of jail. Pence pardons everyone. Trump continues to scream Witch Hunt and says he is resigning to protect his family. He plays the victim. His incredibly stupid few supporters actually believe him.

Or someone kills him. I truly hope that doesn’t happen. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Best case scenario for everyone is a stroke.


There is no way Trump would ever do something for his kids.


You don’t think so? He seems creepily obsessed with Ivanka.


He is definitely creepily obsessed with her but not more than he is with himself. He wouldn’t make any sacrifice for anyone, even Ivanka.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:39     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
I think he will do a SArah Palin and resign. The GOP has become the party of Trump but even they aren’t stupid enough to have him go through weeks of hearings and showcase how far gone he is mentally.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:37     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
No, he won't resign and he'll seek reelection, because he knows as soon as he's not President, he will be indicted.

Which brings us to the main issue here - why should there be a DOJ policy that the President cannot be charged with a crime? Surely there must be a limit to that. I'm afraid, though, that with a Trump appointee as AG, that rule will not be re-examined.

I think they’ll revisit that policy once President Treason is shown.


I think they've already revisited that policy but haven't publicized the fact. Taken to its logical extreme---it's a lousy policy: is DOJ really willing to say that if the president strangled his wife, then no one could do anything until either his term was over or Congress impeached him.? The refusal of the Republican congress to hold Trump accountable for anything over the last two years has demonstrated the fallacy of that policy, which was predicated on the belief that if a president had really committed indictable crimes, a responsible legislative branch would remove him.
I have believed for some time, and still believe, that the Trump presidency could very well result in the Supreme Court having to rule on two questions:
(1) can a sitting president be indicted for a crime and
(2) does the presidential pardon power extend to matters in which the president is a co-conspirator.

And given the way Jeff Sessions was continuously berated and humiliated by Trump over the last 18 months, it would be poetic justice if Sessions had jettisoned that policy privately while Trump was eviscerating him publicly.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:32     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s been making his critics look stupid for a few years now. Don’t count him out just yet.


Oh, honey.


+1. I don’t think history will call the Trump critics stupid. Trump will be lucky if all the history books call him is stupid (as opposed to felonious, treasonous, dictatorial etc)
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:27     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:He’s been making his critics look stupid for a few years now. Don’t count him out just yet.


Oh, honey.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:19     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
He’s been making his critics look stupid for a few years now. Don’t count him out just yet.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 13:00     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, he won't resign and he'll seek reelection, because he knows as soon as he's not President, he will be indicted.

Which brings us to the main issue here - why should there be a DOJ policy that the President cannot be charged with a crime? Surely there must be a limit to that. I'm afraid, though, that with a Trump appointee as AG, that rule will not be re-examined.

I think they’ll revisit that policy once President Treason is shown.


Now that the House is Democrat and impeachment is a possibility, there's always a chance he will be convicted by the Senate. There will be a sizable majority of Republicans, but there are also a lot of Republicans up for office in 2020. I suppose it depends upon how compelling the case Mueller presents.

Knowing this, Trump could resign to avoid it, if he thinks he can find a way to prevent post-term prosecution. Or he might ride it out, hoping in a favorable Senate outcome, especially if he decides not to run in 2020 (might buy him votes).
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 12:59     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:I think the Senate will come around.


Based on what?
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 12:56     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just my guess....Mueller will indict his sketchy kids. There will be an under-the-table deal made. Trump resigns to keep his kids out of jail. Pence pardons everyone. Trump continues to scream Witch Hunt and says he is resigning to protect his family. He plays the victim. His incredibly stupid few supporters actually believe him.

Or someone kills him. I truly hope that doesn’t happen. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Best case scenario for everyone is a stroke.


There is no way Trump would ever do something for his kids.


You don’t think so? He seems creepily obsessed with Ivanka.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 12:54     Subject: Re:Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:Just my guess....Mueller will indict his sketchy kids. There will be an under-the-table deal made. Trump resigns to keep his kids out of jail. Pence pardons everyone. Trump continues to scream Witch Hunt and says he is resigning to protect his family. He plays the victim. His incredibly stupid few supporters actually believe him.

Or someone kills him. I truly hope that doesn’t happen. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Best case scenario for everyone is a stroke.


There is no way Trump would ever do something for his kids.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2018 12:49     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
After his defeat in 2020, he'll move to the heartland where he'll start a new reality show in which he holds rallies in all the districts he won.

This show will run until his death.