Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:39     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:Teach your kids whatever, but it's not the job of non-Christians to perpetuate your lie.

- Muslim kid who stood arm in arm with my Jewish classmates over this ridiculous Santa stuff


How kindhearted of you.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:39     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, we knew that when we read it. I've got to agree with some of the other pp's - in my generation we didn't have Santa going "on, and on, and on..." I stopped believing in Santa fully, by the time I was seven and heavily suspected, prior. I have a friend whose 6th grader believes in Santa- and I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. How do kids even understand the power of a dollar if they think some magic man slides down their chimney to give them stuff? I think this kid is putting his mom on for more gifts or is not being allowed to grow up.


Seriously. I feel like some of these kids are going to be close to getting their learner's permit, and their parents will still be insisting they believe in Santa. I wonder if these parents encourage critical thinking/questioning in other realms or not.


I know right? My DS (6th grade) tells me some of the things he overhears kids say at school (holy moly) - plus the "puberty training class" (that's what we called it) that he sat through last year where some kids broke the unspoken rule and started asking a lot of highly specific questions.

but Santa, really?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:38     Subject: Re:Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:Judy Blume: Parents worry too much about what children read
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10868544/Judy-Blume-Parents-worry-too-much-about-what-children-read.html

I’m team Judy but you do you!


I agree that problematic material goes over kids' heads if they're not ready for it. I read Jean Auel in grade school and didn't really think anything of some of the content at the time.

Santa Claus is not above kids' heads, though. He is right at the level of 4, 6, 8 year olds.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:36     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:All Judy Blume books should be read at the age they were intended to be read. She purposefully includes subject matter that is appropriate for the reader’s age. That’s her thing. The reading levels are low but subject matter can be mature. So for superfudge that is 4th or 5th.


+1

Even if your 1st graders can read it.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:36     Subject: Re:Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Judy Blume: Parents worry too much about what children read
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10868544/Judy-Blume-Parents-worry-too-much-about-what-children-read.html

I’m team Judy but you do you!
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:33     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
All Judy Blume books should be read at the age they were intended to be read. She purposefully includes subject matter that is appropriate for the reader’s age. That’s her thing. The reading levels are low but subject matter can be mature. So for superfudge that is 4th or 5th.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:25     Subject: Re:Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.


i have an alternative take. parents who are so invested in protecting their children from age-appropriate information in order to preserve the "magic" of a single day are having miserable parenthoods and are trying to compensate with Christmas.



? If you’re talking 4-5 for age appropriate I can understand, but anyone who thinks 6-8 is too old for Santa is just a miserable person.


Did I say it's "too old"? No. What's "age appropriate" is that kids will hear from kids their age that Santa isn't real -- starting at around 4.


This is wrong. 4 year olds aren't saying Santa isn't real. They're just not.


I think the Jewish kids probably know.


Yes. And there are also Christian families that don't "do" Santa. My friend is pretty strict about it.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:21     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Any physical or online encyclopedia could also "out" Santa as fictional as well. Shall we ban or restrict those in elementary libraries, too, just in case?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:15     Subject: Re:Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Ugh! What I meant to say was my son was at a large center type daycare up until K. Not one 4 year old ever knew Santa wasn’t real unless they weren’t told about Santa to begin with. I have never heard of a 4 year old ever start to realize Santa wasn’t real. It’s really the age they start believing in him. My son is really into it this year and he’s just turning 7. I’m not in a rush to end it, but I won’t go to crazy lengths to keep it up either.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:13     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:My kids were questioning Santa at 4 and they aren’t prodigies or anything. It is perfectly natural.


My non-prodigy DD also wondered out lout at 4 about whether Santa was real or whether it was just parents playing a funny trick.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:09     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Teach your kids whatever, but it's not the job of non-Christians to perpetuate your lie.

- Muslim kid who stood arm in arm with my Jewish classmates over this ridiculous Santa stuff
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:08     Subject: Re:Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.


i have an alternative take. parents who are so invested in protecting their children from age-appropriate information in order to preserve the "magic" of a single day are having miserable parenthoods and are trying to compensate with Christmas.



? If you’re talking 4-5 for age appropriate I can understand, but anyone who thinks 6-8 is too old for Santa is just a miserable person.


Did I say it's "too old"? No. What's "age appropriate" is that kids will hear from kids their age that Santa isn't real -- starting at around 4.


Not in my experience for my kids. Nor in any of my family members' or friends' experience for their kids.




+1000 My son was I a huge daycare center up until K. Not one kid at 4 ever! Give me a break.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:07     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, we knew that when we read it. I've got to agree with some of the other pp's - in my generation we didn't have Santa going "on, and on, and on..." I stopped believing in Santa fully, by the time I was seven and heavily suspected, prior. I have a friend whose 6th grader believes in Santa- and I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. How do kids even understand the power of a dollar if they think some magic man slides down their chimney to give them stuff? I think this kid is putting his mom on for more gifts or is not being allowed to grow up.


Seriously. I feel like some of these kids are going to be close to getting their learner's permit, and their parents will still be insisting they believe in Santa. I wonder if these parents encourage critical thinking/questioning in other realms or not.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:05     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
My kids were questioning Santa at 4 and they aren’t prodigies or anything. It is perfectly natural.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2018 13:05     Subject: Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, we knew that when we read it. I've got to agree with some of the other pp's - in my generation we didn't have Santa going "on, and on, and on..." I stopped believing in Santa fully, by the time I was seven and heavily suspected, prior. I have a friend whose 6th grader believes in Santa- and I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. How do kids even understand the power of a dollar if they think some magic man slides down their chimney to give them stuff? I think this kid is putting his mom on for more gifts or is not being allowed to grow up.


I know! 6th grade? Are these kids completely cut off from the internet? If they haven't googled it by now, then surely some of their friends have and broken the news already!