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Anonymous wrote:It's honestly shocking to me how obsessed liberals are with Fox News. I mean, you people are so repulsed by anything having to do with that network. Here's a though... try watching CNN or MSNBC with as much disdain as you do Fox. You might actually notice that they're ALL biased.

You do understand that a person can actually read the news from several newspapers and never watch any cable news, don’t you? Fox is pure propaganda and you know it.

I disagree. I think FOX is as useful as any other cable news network. Useful in that we get to hear the same news stories but from different POVs and with different spin. You do understand that there is not one acceptable POV and all others are fake, propaganda, etc., don't you?

And yes, reading the news works in the same way. All news outlets have their biases which is why it's worthwhile to read a wide variety. It's disingenuous to claim that you somehow have access to completely non-biased news reporting because you don't and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:Although there is that pesky historical detail that the Nazis undertook a program to actually kill all the Jews.

Not the day Hitler was elected. Meanwhile, there are kids in cages being sexually abused. So there is that.

That started with Obama, who also promoted racist and violent and anti-semitic BLM.

Hitler would have approved.

Okay so let's say you're right on the money.
It started with Obama who also promoted racist and violent anti-semitic BLM.
Is the shit curbing under Trump?
NO!!
As a matter of fact the shit is escalating under Trump.
Not only has the rhetoric and propaganda and fear-mongering about immigrants ramped up ridiculously,
but anti-Semitism has intensified significantly under Trump also and as far as violence goes uh, I don't recall any mass-killings at synagogues under Obama.
So even if you're right on the money about it starting with Obama which Hitler would have approved I got money says Adolf is looking up from hell grinning and doing cartwheels about the job Donald's doing.

We are mixing 3 topics.

On immigration, the reform Trump proposed made a lot of sense. Legalize close to 3 million immigrants, move system towards merit-based, get some funding for the wall. It didn't get any traction because both the media and Dems attacked it viciously.

On antisemitism, we have the first administration that moved the Embassy to Jerusalem and that supports Israel any chance it gets. We have the first President with a Jewish daughter aND grandkids and nothing but loving words for Judaism. If you see increased tension, and there is, it's because Dems can't respect the verdict of the 2016 election and instead are mobilizing the crazy mob with indeed very unfortunate consequences.

On mass-killings, you probably know that the synagogue killer hated Trump -- he thought Trump is a traitor because he was aligned with Jews. So it's hard to see how Trump is responsible for that. Additionally, in terms of violence overall we should all celebrate that murder rates went down in 2017, as opposed to 2015 and 2016 when they went up.

In short, don't buy the media crap.

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Anonymous wrote:It's honestly shocking to me how obsessed liberals are with Fox News. I mean, you people are so repulsed by anything having to do with that network. Here's a though... try watching CNN or MSNBC with as much disdain as you do Fox. You might actually notice that they're ALL biased.

You do understand that a person can actually read the news from several newspapers and never watch any cable news, don’t you? Fox is pure propaganda and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:While you obsess with 127 incidents you seem to ignore a much more relevant statistic: annual MURDERS grew several thousands under Obama and have started to decrease under Trump.

My family and I feel safer today than in 2015 and 2016.

Even the undocumented immigrants we know feel safer today -- at least there's more attention and support for them. Under Obama no one gave a damn, they were terrified and alone.

Must be because you are white. If you were not, you'd not feel this way since hate crime has gone up.

Also, you have more chance of being killed by a mass shooter (by a white male) than an illegal immigrant, especially if you live in a white suburb.

And as a PP stated, violent crime has been going down even during Obama years.

Anonymous wrote:While you obsess with 127 incidents you seem to ignore a much more relevant statistic: annual MURDERS grew several thousands under Obama and have started to decrease under Trump.

My family and I feel safer today than in 2015 and 2016.

Even the undocumented immigrants we know feel safer today -- at least there's more attention and support for them. Under Obama no one gave a damn, they were terrified and alone.

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While you obsess with 127 incidents you seem to ignore a much more relevant statistic: annual MURDERS grew several thousands under Obama and have started to decrease under Trump.

My family and I feel safer today than in 2015 and 2016.

Oh yeah, that tiny tick up from the FIFTY-YEAR LOW in 2014 was just terrifying.

While you obsess with 127 incidents you seem to ignore a much more relevant statistic: annual MURDERS grew several thousands under Obama and have started to decrease under Trump.

My family and I feel safer today than in 2015 and 2016.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying Carlson, Ingraham, Marlow, etc want me dead? You believe this?

I love how self-centered you sound. No one knows who you are. No one can see you.

But are you Jewish, and immigrant or a minority? Yes, their words suggest they’d like you gone or as part of a permanent underclass. If you’re that Latino on here I keep saying this to, I’ll say it again: if you’re descended from Central or South America, you are not white to these white supremacists and you never will be.

I'm a white immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We feel perfectly fine in the U.S. - because we came here legally and with enough money and understanding of the social structures of the country. We do not approve of those who try to enter illegally.

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DP... I'm an immigrant, too, as is my white DH. You and your DH have stuck your heads in the sands. I would be worried for your brown immigrant DH if I were you. Look at how many incidents there have been against brown people by white people in the name of Trump. Not since 9/11 have we seen this kind of hatred towards brown people. It's actually surpassed 9/11.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/15/assaults-against-muslims-in-u-s-surpass-2001-level/



https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/13/16643448/fbi-hate-crimes-2016

Research shows that support for Trump was driven largely by racial resentment, and Trump played into that resentment with his own racist rhetoric. As a result, Trump’s election led to widespread fears that there would be an emboldening of racist acts across America. (Indeed, some attendees at the violent protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August — made up of white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and Ku Klux Klan members — cited Trump as partial inspiration for the demonstration.)

The FBI report doesn’t prove there was a Trump-driven increase in hate crimes in 2016. But it shows there was, at least, an increase in the FBI’s figures that year.

In the month after Trump was elected, there were more than 860 reports of hate attacks to the Southern Poverty Law Center — including school teachers making Islamophobic comments, students telling Latino peers that Trump would deport them, and outright physical violence that was seemingly motivated by racism.

There have also been reports of mosques being burned, violent attacks against Indians, and a drive-by shooting at the Tulsa, Oklahoma, headquarters for the LGBTQ organization Oklahomans for Equality. And then there were the white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, in which a Nazi sympathizer allegedly killed a woman after he drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying Carlson, Ingraham, Marlow, etc want me dead? You believe this?

I love how self-centered you sound. No one knows who you are. No one can see you.

But are you Jewish, and immigrant or a minority? Yes, their words suggest they’d like you gone or as part of a permanent underclass. If you’re that Latino on here I keep saying this to, I’ll say it again: if you’re descended from Central or South America, you are not white to these white supremacists and you never will be.

I'm a white immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We feel perfectly fine in the U.S. - because we came here legally and with enough money and understanding of the social structures of the country. We do not approve of those who try to enter illegally.

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Research shows that support for Trump was driven largely by racial resentment, and Trump played into that resentment with his own racist rhetoric. As a result, Trump’s election led to widespread fears that there would be an emboldening of racist acts across America. (Indeed, some attendees at the violent protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August — made up of white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and Ku Klux Klan members — cited Trump as partial inspiration for the demonstration.)

The FBI report doesn’t prove there was a Trump-driven increase in hate crimes in 2016. But it shows there was, at least, an increase in the FBI’s figures that year.

In the month after Trump was elected, there were more than 860 reports of hate attacks to the Southern Poverty Law Center — including school teachers making Islamophobic comments, students telling Latino peers that Trump would deport them, and outright physical violence that was seemingly motivated by racism.

There have also been reports of mosques being burned, violent attacks against Indians, and a drive-by shooting at the Tulsa, Oklahoma, headquarters for the LGBTQ organization Oklahomans for Equality. And then there were the white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, in which a Nazi sympathizer allegedly killed a woman after he drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters.

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Another thread has a fascinating interview with Camille Paglia, apparently a well-known LEFTIST intellectual.

Money quote:

"The mainstream media’s nonstop assault on Trump has certainly backfired by cementing his outsider status. He is basically a pragmatic deal-maker, indifferent to ideology. As with Bolsonaro in Brazil, Trump rose because of decades of failure by the political establishment to address urgent systemic problems, including corruption at high levels. Democrats must hammer out their own image and agenda and stop self-destructively insulting half the electorate by treating Trump like Satan."

Anonymous wrote:"It is honestly shocking how much the howling, liberal-biased media continue to compare Trump to Hitler and Republicans to Nazis with a constant series of "News Flashes" containing blaring, baseless claims and false innuendos."

There, that's what the title ought to be. When Trump starts branding Democrats with pink donkey tattoos and herding them into ghettos, yeah, then I might believe Trump is goose-stepping on our constitution. Until then, such hysteria is nothing more than the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth of crybabies not getting their way.

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Hitler was NOT democratically elected.

He lost every single free election he participated in. In the last one, though, his ability to mobilize the street made Hindenburg appoint him Chancellor to appease his Resistance movement.

The Nazis won the most seats in the Reichstag in 1932. The Communists were told by Moscow not to make common cause with the Social Democrats. Hindenburg reluctantly appointed Hitler chancellor when no majority government was forthcoming and at the urging of, among others, prominent industrialists. Conservatives told Hindenburg they could tame Hitler and most folks discounted the Nazis' ability to establish a dictatorship in Germany:

"German newspapers wrote that, without doubt, the Hitler-led government would try to fight its political enemies (the left-wing parties), but that it would be impossible to establish a dictatorship in Germany because there was "a barrier, over which violence cannot proceed" and because of the German nation being proud of "the freedom of speech and thought". Theodor Wolff of Frankfurter Zeitung wrote:[77]

It is a hopeless misjudgement to think that one could force a dictatorial regime upon the German nation. [...] The diversity of the German people calls for democracy.
—?Theodor Wolff in Frankfurter Zeitung, Jan 1933"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power#Seizure_of_control_(1931%E2%80%931933)

They were, of course, wrong.

Anonymous wrote:It's honestly shocking to me how obsessed liberals are with Fox News. I mean, you people are so repulsed by anything having to do with that network. Here's a though... try watching CNN or MSNBC with as much disdain as you do Fox. You might actually notice that they're ALL biased.