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The businesses failed because the rent was ridiculously high. Is increasing the development going to lower the rents for the businesses?

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Read my subsequent posts. There's a link there to the county council meeting. The council is talking about a waiver for specific locations to make sure that Rockville Town Square doesn't become a desolate ghost town. More density is needed there. As someone that lives close enough to walk to the town center, I'm all for the waiver. Building more so that a few thousand more residents come to the town square area and it adds 50 more kids to the high school is well worth it. It shouldn't be a big deal in the end anyway since there will be redistricting which will free up space in RM. RM is walking distance to the town center so kids there won't even need to take a bus.

I don't know if you're a Rockville resident or not but if you are, I'd have to assume you were upset when Dawson's closed too. It was alarming when it closed along with several other businesses all at once. That's why so many people went to the meeting at VisArts.

Anonymous wrote:So ridiculous. more density is NOT going to fix Rockville Town Center.

People in the area do not go to Town Center because of the ridiculous parking fees and overly enthusiastic parking enforcement. Who is eating at Mellow Mushroom when you can drive up the pike for easy, free parking at a million other restaurants?

They were had been planning for a park near a rockville Town Center but that green space is no longer in the picture.

People with kids and dogs want parks nearby. And some space.

The push for high density housing is misguided.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, MCPS will fool everyone by adding hypothetical placeholder to not have moratorium. City of Rockville will go along with that. Kids will suffer. No one cares about them.

No, that's not how the process works.

What is a placeholder “solution?”
• Funding approved by the County Council for an as yet undefined project
that is under assessment by MCPS.
• Counts as funded capacity, thus preventing potential moratorium.
• Funding is typically not requested by MCPS.
• Funding is typically programmed in the out years of the CIP.
• While the placeholder implies that MCPS will pursue an addition at the
school, in reality, the scope of the real project is unknown because MCPS
has not fully determined the appropriate solution to the enrollment issue.
• The ultimate solution could be larger and more expensive than the
placeholder, or might not even involve a capital project.

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

I've bolded the relevant part.

However, as the PP said, Rockville is an incorporated municipality with its own planning authority, so they make their own decisions about thresholds and waivers for building moratoriums.

As I understand it, the MCPS CIP has funding for the first step (planning) for the high school at Crown, beginning in July 2019.

And it isn’t like they aren’t doing it for a good reason. They don’t want the town center to turn into a ghost town. More density is needed there. They aren’t talking about a waiver everywhere in the city. All the failed businesses in the last couple of months was alarming to most people in Rockville. There were even threads here on it. Besides, by the time new construction proposed now is finished, Crown HS will be built out.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, MCPS will fool everyone by adding hypothetical placeholder to not have moratorium. City of Rockville will go along with that. Kids will suffer. No one cares about them.

No, that's not how the process works.

What is a placeholder “solution?”
• Funding approved by the County Council for an as yet undefined project
that is under assessment by MCPS.
• Counts as funded capacity, thus preventing potential moratorium.
• Funding is typically not requested by MCPS.
• Funding is typically programmed in the out years of the CIP.
• While the placeholder implies that MCPS will pursue an addition at the
school, in reality, the scope of the real project is unknown because MCPS
has not fully determined the appropriate solution to the enrollment issue.
• The ultimate solution could be larger and more expensive than the
placeholder, or might not even involve a capital project.

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

I've bolded the relevant part.

However, as the PP said, Rockville is an incorporated municipality with its own planning authority, so they make their own decisions about thresholds and waivers for building moratoriums.

As I understand it, the MCPS CIP has funding for the first step (planning) for the high school at Crown, beginning in July 2019.

Anonymous wrote:LOL, MCPS will fool everyone by adding hypothetical placeholder to not have moratorium. City of Rockville will go along with that. Kids will suffer. No one cares about them.

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Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

What?

Correct me if I understood it right.

IN 2015 - Rockville Council members voted to allow 120% capacity from previous cap at 110%
IN 2015 - Rockville COuncil members voted to allow averaging entire cluster rather than stopping any school to go above 120%.

Now you are saying that they are going to allow constructions in TC and TB even if schools are over capacity by 120%?

That's as crappy as it can get. It makes zero sense.

Read my subsequent posts. There's a link there to the county council meeting. The council is talking about a waiver for specific locations to make sure that Rockville Town Square doesn't become a desolate ghost town. More density is needed there. As someone that lives close enough to walk to the town center, I'm all for the waiver. Building more so that a few thousand more residents come to the town square area and it adds 50 more kids to the high school is well worth it. It shouldn't be a big deal in the end anyway since there will be redistricting which will free up space in RM. RM is walking distance to the town center so kids there won't even need to take a bus.

I don't know if you're a Rockville resident or not but if you are, I'd have to assume you were upset when Dawson's closed too. It was alarming when it closed along with several other businesses all at once. That's why so many people went to the meeting at VisArts.

I am a resident and used to shop at Dawson.

Based on MCPS low ball projections, thousands of new residents will add much more than 50 HS students. In reality, HS will become nightmare. Without any new constructions, HS will be 120% in few years. Right now HS students don't have science lab due to over crowding. How can we add simply add more students there?

Redistricting is not going to happen any time soon. It's 5-7 years away if Crown gets built on time otherwise you are looking at 10+ years. Meanwhile we wil be robbing HS students to get a decent education.

I do understand the need to get more density, but we can't ignore school issue. One solution will be to move one of the elementary in RM to Woodward. Woodward will open much quicker than Crown and it will share boundary with RM.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

What?

Correct me if I understood it right.

IN 2015 - Rockville Council members voted to allow 120% capacity from previous cap at 110%
IN 2015 - Rockville COuncil members voted to allow averaging entire cluster rather than stopping any school to go above 120%.

Now you are saying that they are going to allow constructions in TC and TB even if schools are over capacity by 120%?

That's as crappy as it can get. It makes zero sense.

Read my subsequent posts. There's a link there to the county council meeting. The council is talking about a waiver for specific locations to make sure that Rockville Town Square doesn't become a desolate ghost town. More density is needed there. As someone that lives close enough to walk to the town center, I'm all for the waiver. Building more so that a few thousand more residents come to the town square area and it adds 50 more kids to the high school is well worth it. It shouldn't be a big deal in the end anyway since there will be redistricting which will free up space in RM. RM is walking distance to the town center so kids there won't even need to take a bus.

I don't know if you're a Rockville resident or not but if you are, I'd have to assume you were upset when Dawson's closed too. It was alarming when it closed along with several other businesses all at once. That's why so many people went to the meeting at VisArts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

What?

Correct me if I understood it right.

IN 2015 - Rockville Council members voted to allow 120% capacity from previous cap at 110%
IN 2015 - Rockville COuncil members voted to allow averaging entire cluster rather than stopping any school to go above 120%.

Now you are saying that they are going to allow constructions in TC and TB even if schools are over capacity by 120%?

That's as crappy as it can get. It makes zero sense.

Read my subsequent posts. There's a link there to the county council meeting. The council is talking about a waiver for specific locations to make sure that Rockville Town Square doesn't become a desolate ghost town. More density is needed there. As someone that lives close enough to walk to the town center, I'm all for the waiver. Building more so that a few thousand more residents come to the town square area and it adds 50 more kids to the high school is well worth it. It shouldn't be a big deal in the end anyway since there will be redistricting which will free up space in RM. RM is walking distance to the town center so kids there won't even need to take a bus.

I don't know if you're a Rockville resident or not but if you are, I'd have to assume you were upset when Dawson's closed too. It was alarming when it closed along with several other businesses all at once. That's why so many people went to the meeting at VisArts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

What?

Correct me if I understood it right.

IN 2015 - Rockville Council members voted to allow 120% capacity from previous cap at 110%
IN 2015 - Rockville COuncil members voted to allow averaging entire cluster rather than stopping any school to go above 120%.

Now you are saying that they are going to allow constructions in TC and TB even if schools are over capacity by 120%?

That's as crappy as it can get. It makes zero sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

I guess it depends what one cares about the most—more development or right-sized schools. Ideally there would be a reasonable balance between the two but not sure that’s happening.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.