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The anchor baby concept that Trump supporters seem to dislike applies to any child born to a person who is not a citizen, so that would include legal immigrants as well (like H2A visa holders having children while in the US), and yes, that would apply to Trump's father because his mother was pregnant when she immigrated to the US. I doubt she became a citizen within six months of arriving here.

The anchor baby concept is wrong to begin with (because a US citizen baby doesn't really help if you have no legal means of staying independently of that) but no, it doesn't include legal immigrants. An anchor baby, by definition, anchors someone without other attachments. So, a baby born to a green card holder is not an anchor baby because a green card holder can stay here regardless of a baby. I don't know what Trump's grandmother situation was, but if she was a legal immigrant, then her child was not an anchor baby because her status in the US did not depend on having a baby.

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I agree 40% proficiency rate is pathetic. So? Low income students generally have a low proficiency rate, and that does apply to even whites and Asians btw. It's about SES, not about skin color. Hispanics and blacks have a large % of low income families, so that's why you see a larger % of students from this background not doing as well in school.

That's true, and that's why it makes sense to limit immigration of low-income people, and enforce immigration laws with regard to the illegal population.

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Yes, I realize that the hispanic population in MCPS has been increasing, as it has for the rest of the country. The Asian population has also been increasing. The US is becoming less white. Actually, the whole world is becoming less white. So, you can stop blaming non whites for the fact that the white population is declining. It's not like nonwhite people are going around getting rid of white people.

The Asian population is, most of the time, here legally. It also tends to elevate the quality of the schools, not the other way round.

Yes, the world is becoming less white but it doesn't have to become poorer. A country has every right to restrict who comes in; the growth of illegal population, Hispanic or not, is not an act of god. It can be managed and mitigated.

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

Also shows you the power of having anchor babies and bringing over children when illegally immigrating.

Meanwhile, Montgomery county public school Hispanics have 40% proficiency rates in math and reading, every grade tested.

Yep.. Trump's father was an anchor baby.

If MCPS had majority white population with a 40% proficient rate in math and reading would that be ok, then?

What makes you think 100% of those Hispanics are *all* illegal immigrants?

Common knowledge, if you are here illegally have your Citizenship by Birth babies, you are stately deported. Don’t know about trumps great grandparents, they were illegal immigrants or legal immigrants?

Only 40% proficiency at grade level work is pathetic for whatever demographic; it’s failing, it’s flunking, it’s not graduating HS. Proficiency is a low bar to begin with so this is pretty low school performance. Data readily available for Asians, whites, aA and Hispanics.

40 years of MCPS data on hispanic, esol and farms data makes anyone thinks that. Check the graphs out yourself. The only thing that results in an increase of proficiency scores in high school is when poor students start dropping out.

But good point, if you strip out the tiny amount of Spanish speaker kids from educated parents here for corporate or diplomat jobs, the proficiency scores of the illegal immigrant kids would be even worse than 40%. Yikes!

Why are you bitching on here instead of calling your representatives and creating petitions?

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

Also shows you the power of having anchor babies and bringing over children when illegally immigrating.

Meanwhile, Montgomery county public school Hispanics have 40% proficiency rates in math and reading, every grade tested.

Yep.. Trump's father was an anchor baby.

If MCPS had majority white population with a 40% proficient rate in math and reading would that be ok, then?

What makes you think 100% of those Hispanics are *all* illegal immigrants?

Common knowledge, if you are here illegally have your Citizenship by Birth babies, you are stately deported. Don’t know about trumps great grandparents, they were illegal immigrants or legal immigrants?

Only 40% proficiency at grade level work is pathetic for whatever demographic; it’s failing, it’s flunking, it’s not graduating HS. Proficiency is a low bar to begin with so this is pretty low school performance. Data readily available for Asians, whites, aA and Hispanics.

40 years of MCPS data on hispanic, esol and farms data makes anyone thinks that. Check the graphs out yourself. The only thing that results in an increase of proficiency scores in high school is when poor students start dropping out.

But good point, if you strip out the tiny amount of Spanish speaker kids from educated parents here for corporate or diplomat jobs, the proficiency scores of the illegal immigrant kids would be even worse than 40%. Yikes!

The anchor baby concept that Trump supporters seem to dislike applies to any child born to a person who is not a citizen, so that would include legal immigrants as well (like H2A visa holders having children while in the US), and yes, that would apply to Trump's father because his mother was pregnant when she immigrated to the US. I doubt she became a citizen within six months of arriving here.

I agree 40% proficiency rate is pathetic. So? Low income students generally have a low proficiency rate, and that does apply to even whites and Asians btw. It's about SES, not about skin color. Hispanics and blacks have a large % of low income families, so that's why you see a larger % of students from this background not doing as well in school.

Yes, I realize that the hispanic population in MCPS has been increasing, as it has for the rest of the country. The Asian population has also been increasing. The US is becoming less white. Actually, the whole world is becoming less white. So, you can stop blaming non whites for the fact that the white population is declining. It's not like nonwhite people are going around getting rid of white people.

Again, how do you know that 100% of the 40% of Hispanics are illegal immigrants or even 80% of them are illegal? How do you know what the % of illegal immigrant student population is?

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

Also shows you the power of having anchor babies and bringing over children when illegally immigrating.

Meanwhile, Montgomery county public school Hispanics have 40% proficiency rates in math and reading, every grade tested.

Yep.. Trump's father was an anchor baby.

If MCPS had majority white population with a 40% proficient rate in math and reading would that be ok, then?

What makes you think 100% of those Hispanics are *all* illegal immigrants?

Common knowledge, if you are here illegally have your Citizenship by Birth babies, you are stately deported. Don’t know about trumps great grandparents, they were illegal immigrants or legal immigrants?

Only 40% proficiency at grade level work is pathetic for whatever demographic; it’s failing, it’s flunking, it’s not graduating HS. Proficiency is a low bar to begin with so this is pretty low school performance. Data readily available for Asians, whites, aA and Hispanics.

40 years of MCPS data on hispanic, esol and farms data makes anyone thinks that. Check the graphs out yourself. The only thing that results in an increase of proficiency scores in high school is when poor students start dropping out.

But good point, if you strip out the tiny amount of Spanish speaker kids from educated parents here for corporate or diplomat jobs, the proficiency scores of the illegal immigrant kids would be even worse than 40%. Yikes!

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t McCain try in 2005, and the Republicans scuttle that effort as well?

McCain and Bush in try in 2005, and it was Dems (including lovely Bernie) who killed it.

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

Also shows you the power of having anchor babies and bringing over children when illegally immigrating.

Meanwhile, Montgomery county public school Hispanics have 40% proficiency rates in math and reading, every grade tested.

Yep.. Trump's father was an anchor baby.

If MCPS had majority white population with a 40% proficient rate in math and reading would that be ok, then?

What makes you think 100% of those Hispanics are *all* illegal immigrants?

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

? Why should the leaders of those central american countries be held liable for what their citizens do abroad? Should Trump be held accountable for the actions of Americans behaving badly in other countries, of which there are plenty of?

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Anonymous wrote:until left stops thinking about getting more votes, it will never get done. All they want is how can we get more votes in the years to come via minorities so we can be in POWER. Fix that ideology and then we talk...

So the GOP won’t do anything about it because the Ds are trying to get more votes? Is that your logic?

Was that the logic?

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

Also shows you the power of having anchor babies and bringing over children when illegally immigrating.

Meanwhile, Montgomery county public school Hispanics have 40% proficiency rates in math and reading, every grade tested.

The only way modern socially funded systems work (public schools, fire/police, Medicare/Medicaid) is if you pay in, then use what you must at that later time.
If too many people simply show up as adults with kids/babies and instantly use everything the system becomes strained. Costs rise too fast, quality goes down.
If too many very needy, dependent people unfamiliar with modern societies show up and instantly use everything (with none of their family or ancestors contributing to the kitty, ever) the system breaks.

Same as pregnancies. The most expensive care of a 10 month pregnancy is labor and delivery in the hospital. No insurer wants you swinging in at 38 weeks to do your $2-5k of labor and delivery and use up a hospital bed. There are people who paid health insurance from age 22 onward and then 5-15 years later need L&D and pre natal care.
Too many people showing up to ER rooms in labor, the system gets very strained. Same for sickness, disease, illness, accidents.

Modern societies embrace the concept of insurance and preventative care. Non-modern societies do not and don’t even want to pay premiums “for something I don’t use or need”. Much easier to go to hospital and then say you have no reportable income, lo siento. Same response when they hit your car in Georgia Avenue. They run off with a lo siento.

You pay the price- viruses everywhere, car accidents, high premiums, overcrowded schools and hospitals, upside down budgets of public goods.

Wake up America. You are not breaking these illegal immigrants out of generational poverty, you are creating another underclass of generational poverty on the dole. Worse, they could be making $100k cash a year doing construction or landscaping and only claim 25% of that.
Again, tax and income evasion a common thing in third world countries. Why would you pay income tax when you simply can not pay it. So simple.

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Anonymous wrote:“Again, most liberals are not for open borders.”

Well - sort of. You can’t oppose virtually all enforcement of immigration laws - including deportation of people here illegally - and then say you are not for open borders. These two things do not go together.

I don't think Dems are againt enforcement of virtually all immigration laws. They don't have a problem with deporting people, but realize that there are constraints within our system (overcrowded jails in big metro areas where there are a lot of illegal immigrants; having people afraid of reporting violent crimes to local police for fear of deportation).

They also have sympathy for people who were brought here as children illegally, and if letting them find a path to citizenship = wanting open borders, then by that definition then some Rs are for open borders, too, since several prominent Rs support the Dream Act and amnesty.

Correct. That is open borders. And if we pass a bill like that or one that gives amnesty to those here illegally, you can expect another wave of humanity at our borders. They will all come to wait until we pass another amensty years down the line. Its better to help them in their home countries. There never seems to be any accountability for the presidents/leaders of central america.

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Anonymous wrote:Not only penalize employers who hire illegals, but use e-verify. Also obtain citizenship information from anyone trying obtain services including Medicaid and schooling or other benefits on behalf of a child. We should know who is trying to get benefits that are reserved for citizens.

Too much common sense

Wrong. Schooling is not reserved for citizens.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

you're right its not, but as schools get federal funding, they should provide citizenship info to immigration authorities to check non-citizens.

Anonymous wrote:until left stops thinking about getting more votes, it will never get done. All they want is how can we get more votes in the years to come via minorities so we can be in POWER. Fix that ideology and then we talk...

The right insists that they are perfectly happy about LEGAL immigrants. Liberals aren't basing an electoral strategy on ILLEGAL immigrants -- if any of them are voting, it's a pretty trivial number of them -- so what's your problem here?