Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

I’d say Arena is more responsible for 2018 than Klinsmann, since he was in charge of 4 times as many games in the hexagonal. Who is a tougher team to beat, Mexico or Belgium?

Belgium is ranked #1 right now. And guess what? Their coach is Spanish.

And the Colombian guy who beat Germany with Mexico just this past summer, the guy who coached the Chicago Fire and the NY Red Bulls, got tired of waiting for an interview and went to Paraguay.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

It may have nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with trust. How do you hire your staff in the real world, just curious?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Klinsmann first stint was with Germany and he took them to semifinals, which is something Arena will never achieve. Klinsmann's second stint was with USMNT and he advanced from the group of death, whereas Arena has failed to qualify for the WC. I find it ridiculous that some blame Klinsmann for failing to qualify, when he only coached 2 games in Hexagonal against two strongest teams in our region, Mexico and Costa Rica. The USSF was waiting for the first excuse to fire him and put their man in. Arena coached 8 Hex games, including the loss to Trinidad and Tobago.

With all due respect, you can’t compare anything other than the performance of the men with the USMNT. That’s the only apples to apples comparison. What I find ridiculous is that this is the hill you choose to die upon.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

I’d say Arena is more responsible for 2018 than Klinsmann, since he was in charge of 4 times as many games in the hexagonal. Who is a tougher team to beat, Mexico or Belgium?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

It may have nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with trust. How do you hire your staff in the real world, just curious?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Klinsmann first stint was with Germany and he took them to semifinals, which is something Arena will never achieve. Klinsmann's second stint was with USMNT and he advanced from the group of death, whereas Arena has failed to qualify for the WC. I find it ridiculous that some blame Klinsmann for failing to qualify, when he only coached 2 games in Hexagonal against two strongest teams in our region, Mexico and Costa Rica. The USSF was waiting for the first excuse to fire him and put their man in. Arena coached 8 Hex games, including the loss to Trinidad and Tobago.

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.