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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:We have this argument all the time. A bunch of people myself included drank very lightly during pregnancy. Like a white wine spritzer a night (half strength). A bunch of other women think we are insane for taking the risk. Everyone agrees the evidence favors the light drinkers but some people assume some damage is being done despite the evidence.

Now that I’ve summed it up this thread can stretch on to page 14 at least.

You are in denial if you think this constitutes "very light" drinking during pregnancy.

I agree, especially since some people's "half strength" could be actually a full serving.

So you think it’s not very light under the assumption that I am lying about the strength. Got it.

"strength" has no objective meaning. some people's half-strength is 2oz; others is 4. People are really bad at knowing what "one drink" is by public health measures.

DP but it's pretty obvious she's saying it's "half strength" because a spritzer is half wine, half club soda. That is half-strength by anyone's measure.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

+1

I'm raising two boys who suffer from FASD. Thing is it's entirely 100% preventable and if your kid ends up with it, it's a life sentence. Also it can be years before you know if your pregnancy drinking caused problems for your child. At birth of your baby looks perfect, that shouldn't bring you peace of mind. You might have a decade before its discovered.

My boys have really have had a tough time and there is no end in sight. They are now at the point where they totally understand why and processing the feelings that come with knowing that the person who is supposed to take care of you intentionally and knowingly engaged in behavior that resulted in what will be lifelong serious difficulties is really difficult.

Can I ask how much you drank during pregnancy? Just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

I’m apoaulled by the number of OS who say it’s ok. Clearly they have not been trained properly and I once switched because of it. Although it wasn’t long ago that drinking lightly (and smoking) during pregnancy was the norm and I guess they figure our generation turned out ok. Just lots of heroin addicts now.

There are studies showing that light drinking during pregnancy does not impact children's development. It's certainly fair to to say those studies aren't enough for you, but there is a scientific basis for not abstaining completely.

Details, please.

http://time.com/4081343/no-alcohol-during-pregnancy/

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

I’m apoaulled by the number of OS who say it’s ok. Clearly they have not been trained properly and I once switched because of it. Although it wasn’t long ago that drinking lightly (and smoking) during pregnancy was the norm and I guess they figure our generation turned out ok. Just lots of heroin addicts now.

There are studies showing that light drinking during pregnancy does not impact children's development. It's certainly fair to to say those studies aren't enough for you, but there is a scientific basis for not abstaining completely.

Details, please.

Read Expecting Better. That book lays it out much better than I could.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

+1

I'm raising two boys who suffer from FASD. Thing is it's entirely 100% preventable and if your kid ends up with it, it's a life sentence. Also it can be years before you know if your pregnancy drinking caused problems for your child. At birth of your baby looks perfect, that shouldn't bring you peace of mind. You might have a decade before its discovered.

My boys have really have had a tough time and there is no end in sight. They are now at the point where they totally understand why and processing the feelings that come with knowing that the person who is supposed to take care of you intentionally and knowingly engaged in behavior that resulted in what will be lifelong serious difficulties is really difficult.

FASD is caused by alcoholic-level binging. Not a drink a week, or likely even a very small drink a day.

That said, I am one of the posters who regrets drinking at all during pregnancy, although I drank very likely (maybe 2oz/wine a week?). That's because now, in hindsight, I'm extremely cautious with my risk-benefit analyses when it comes to my child's health, a perspective I did not have then. While I still think hysterical avoidance of sushi during pregnancy is silly, alcohol is a toxin, and although the studies have not shown an impact of light drinking, I think it's possible it's there. That said, I fully respect women who aren't as risk averse as me and still think it's NBD. The important thing is to A) be honest about how much you are actually drinking (which OP may not be doing); B) understand your own values.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

+1

I'm raising two boys who suffer from FASD. Thing is it's entirely 100% preventable and if your kid ends up with it, it's a life sentence. Also it can be years before you know if your pregnancy drinking caused problems for your child. At birth of your baby looks perfect, that shouldn't bring you peace of mind. You might have a decade before its discovered.

My boys have really have had a tough time and there is no end in sight. They are now at the point where they totally understand why and processing the feelings that come with knowing that the person who is supposed to take care of you intentionally and knowingly engaged in behavior that resulted in what will be lifelong serious difficulties is really difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

I’m apoaulled by the number of OS who say it’s ok. Clearly they have not been trained properly and I once switched because of it. Although it wasn’t long ago that drinking lightly (and smoking) during pregnancy was the norm and I guess they figure our generation turned out ok. Just lots of heroin addicts now.

There are studies showing that light drinking during pregnancy does not impact children's development. It's certainly fair to to say those studies aren't enough for you, but there is a scientific basis for not abstaining completely.

Details, please.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

I’m apoaulled by the number of OS who say it’s ok. Clearly they have not been trained properly and I once switched because of it. Although it wasn’t long ago that drinking lightly (and smoking) during pregnancy was the norm and I guess they figure our generation turned out ok. Just lots of heroin addicts now.

There are studies showing that light drinking during pregnancy does not impact children's development. It's certainly fair to to say those studies aren't enough for you, but there is a scientific basis for not abstaining completely.

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad that I drank ALOT one night when I was pregnant. It was very early and I didn't even know I was pregnant at the time. I was probably about 3 weeks pregnant. (Once I knew I was pregnant, I didn't drink)

I still feel terrible about this. I have never told anyone but I'm still afraid it is the reason why my son has ADD.

I carry a lot of guilt.

Please do not feel guilty!!! There is no saying what would or would not have occured here.


I did not drink AT ALL. My child has ADHD and ASD.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

I’m apoaulled by the number of OS who say it’s ok. Clearly they have not been trained properly and I once switched because of it. Although it wasn’t long ago that drinking lightly (and smoking) during pregnancy was the norm and I guess they figure our generation turned out ok. Just lots of heroin addicts now.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

+1

Have you tried O'Doul's? Seltzer? I very much like the feeling of having something "nice" with my dinner. At that point, I'm sick of water. O'Doul's tastes good; it's basically like a Yuengling or other light lager. Seltzer makes me drink slowly and the bubbles feel festive.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.

Keep telling yourself that. There is NO amount determined to be SAFE.

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Anonymous wrote:If you met my friend's (adopted) son with FAS and saw the effects it has on her family you'd grow up and stop drinking. Selfish cow.

Honestly, +1. FAS is heartbreaking (and, very often, family-breaking)

FAS is awful, but it's not caused by a couple of carefully measured servings per week.