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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

That’s it, I’m declaring Warm Formula/Breastmilk Lady a “DCUM Thing” like South Arlington Mom, Raised Five Kids Lady, 5’5” 112 lbs lady on the fashion forum, etc.

My second child was the worst sleeper I have ever heard of (up until 2/2.5) and always drank warm milk/formula, etc

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Please stop. All my babies got room temperature formula at the hospital. One of them was born in the middle of winter, got room temperature formula, and slept like a champ and has been a very happy baby with no colic. So no, I think your theory is nuts, and in my children there was no correlation at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And that is why has overheating is a risk factor for SIDs.

Pardon? What exactly are you trying to say?

Cooler room lower the risk of SIDS. The hypothesis is that warmer babies are sometimes unable to arouse themselves when necessary. They have higher rates of SIDS. That is why they believe SIDS rates go up in the winter. People put too much clothing on their babies.

We should see what exactly the baby was wearing, and what else was in the crib. Perhaps there were loose blankets and pillows. Perhaps toys and stuffed animals. What temperature was the room? We really have no clue.

No. This is based on actual studies. They do know. Increased temperature is associated with higher rates of SIDS.

And this is SIDS, not suffocation, which is what stuffed animals and blankets would cause.

How exactly is SIDS defined?

Sudden death of child under 1 with no known cause after investigation. It excludes deaths by suffocation.

But there’s no way to know because about half the time the parents present at the ED with the deceased baby. I’d venture that 100% of the time the parents touch/move/try to rouse the baby before calling 911, so investigators rarely see the scene as it was when the baby died.

... that is why they do an autopsy, because yes, you're right, usually the ambulance doesn't show up and see a baby with a pillow over its face that the parents haven't tried to revive. Obviously.

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Why not breastfeed for just a few weeks?
The formula still needs to be properly warmed in the hospital.


You can give ready to feed at room temperature. No need to warm it.


That seems hard on a little tummy/system designed to receive warm milk. What about bringing a bottle warmer with you?

And you left out the excellent response, which points out why breastfeeding was linked from the very first post of (this thread's) OP, back in the beginning:

NP. But not only +1 to RTF at room temp being fine (have had to supplement all of my babies with RTF formula in the hospital and never thought to warm it / was never given that option / no one ever suggested it might be an issue)... let’s pause for a second on this line...

“Why not breastfeed for just a few weeks?“

Just.... why. Why would you ever say that to someone who came here asking for how to handle what she is anticipating to be stressful, and then your response is to do exactly what she is worried about.

There was plenty more after that which was unkind and unnecessary as well, not to mention claims of truth that did not bear out.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

Here is where it started:

Why not breastfeed for just a few weeks?
The formula still needs to be properly warmed in the hospital.


You can give ready to feed at room temperature. No need to warm it.


That seems hard on a little tummy/system designed to receive warm milk. What about bringing a bottle warmer with you?

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

I worried *much* more about over-heating or smothering my July baby than the cold. He would scream in the stroller, so I could only get him out in the baby bjorn in the DC heat. I have vivid memories of the day I had run inside and hold him in front of the A/C after he got overheated on a walk. Later when he was 2 he had a febrile seizure possibly aggravated by going outside in the heat.

Conversely I never found it hard to keep him warm enough even in the coldest winter . Babywearing or stroller blanket, hat, done. I even had him out during the polar vortex with a blanket on the stroller.

Keeping a baby warm is not hard, and you'd have to be truly negligent to give your baby hypothermia. But overheating is scary easy, especially at the height of summer.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.