Anonymous wrote:It might be obvious from the comment, but it doesn't reflect reality. Our schools have or will have been rebuilt. Our rec centers have or will have all been rebuilt, our fire houses have all been rebuilt, our libraries have all been renovated or rebuilt. That is pretty good for quality of life in the Ward, IMO.

Are you living in a box? She just brought a shelter to the ward which is essentialy a nest for hood rats.

It might be obvious from the comment, but it doesn't reflect reality. Our schools have or will have been rebuilt. Our rec centers have or will have all been rebuilt, our fire houses have all been rebuilt, our libraries have all been renovated or rebuilt. That is pretty good for quality of life in the Ward, IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Mary Chen lost me with her pious insistence on supporting the no tip restaurant legislation, despite the vocal opposition from her own community. She doesn’t represent “us” any more- the people who actually pay the taxes to fund the city.

Nope, she does not. She's been representing San Francisco/Portland/Seattle for a long while now.

What are the heck are you talking about?

We’re talking about why Petar might be a reasonable alternative to the insufferable Mary Cheh. You know- the topic of this thread.

And what? Mary has been representing San Francisco/Portland/Seattle? What the hell is that supposed to even mean?

It means that she is far more concerned with national "social justice" initiatives that are fairly west coast, than local bread and butter quality of life ward 3 issues. Isn't that sort of obvious from the comment?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone stated earlier that Peter objected to the shelter? What was the line of reasoning? Thnx.

Cater to NIMBYs, just like the Hearst Pool cave in.

Ironic, because as part of the Green Team, in real life, he would likely be a Bowser lackey.

What is the green team? If he has stated objections, why would he not hold to them? Btw I'm fine with NIMBYs. No one else is looking out for ward 3. That's sort of what you do as a resident or neighborhood rep- look out for interests that concern you. That doesn't mean at the expense of all city wide initiatives, but there is nothing wrong with considering neighborhood impact. Every neighborhood in the city does it. Why on earth wouldn't you?

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Anonymous wrote:Mary Chen lost me with her pious insistence on supporting the no tip restaurant legislation, despite the vocal opposition from her own community. She doesn’t represent “us” any more- the people who actually pay the taxes to fund the city.

Nope, she does not. She's been representing San Francisco/Portland/Seattle for a long while now.

What are the heck are you talking about?

We’re talking about why Petar might be a reasonable alternative to the insufferable Mary Cheh. You know- the topic of this thread.

And what? Mary has been representing San Francisco/Portland/Seattle? What the hell is that supposed to even mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Mary Chen lost me with her pious insistence on supporting the no tip restaurant legislation, despite the vocal opposition from her own community. She doesn’t represent “us” any more- the people who actually pay the taxes to fund the city.

Nope, she does not. She's been representing San Francisco/Portland/Seattle for a long while now.

What are the heck are you talking about?

We’re talking about why Petar might be a reasonable alternative to the insufferable Mary Cheh. You know- the topic of this thread.

Anonymous wrote:Someone stated earlier that Peter objected to the shelter? What was the line of reasoning? Thnx.

Cater to NIMBYs, just like the Hearst Pool cave in.

Ironic, because as part of the Green Team, in real life, he would likely be a Bowser lackey.

Someone stated earlier that Peter objected to the shelter? What was the line of reasoning? Thnx.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if you had spent more time worrying about aesthetics rather than just flat out fighting it, planners would have listened to you. Instead, they went along their merry way knowing what they were designing would be build with nary any oversight.

And on the other, welcome to living in a big city. if you expect otherwise from city services and public access to city services, then you have a Mayberry vision of the world that is unrealistic to Washington DC in 2018 or 2000, or 1982.

God I pray that you are attacked by one of the hood rats that is on their way to Ward 3 bc of the shelter. Im sure you will blame everyome other than the hood rate.

As was stated earlier, you are truly a horrible person.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe if you had spent more time worrying about aesthetics rather than just flat out fighting it, planners would have listened to you. Instead, they went along their merry way knowing what they were designing would be build with nary any oversight.

And on the other, welcome to living in a big city. if you expect otherwise from city services and public access to city services, then you have a Mayberry vision of the world that is unrealistic to Washington DC in 2018 or 2000, or 1982.

I'm sure if anyone had spent more time worrying about the aesthetics would have accomplished zilch. This was rammed through--and the amount that the 3rd party contractor will earn to administer these quarters sounds astounding--above market rent for lesser facility. I guess it's win-win for the Mayor and her cronies?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if you had spent more time worrying about aesthetics rather than just flat out fighting it, planners would have listened to you. Instead, they went along their merry way knowing what they were designing would be build with nary any oversight.

And on the other, welcome to living in a big city. if you expect otherwise from city services and public access to city services, then you have a Mayberry vision of the world that is unrealistic to Washington DC in 2018 or 2000, or 1982.

God I pray that you are attacked by one of the hood rats that is on their way to Ward 3 bc of the shelter. Im sure you will blame everyome other than the hood rate.

Keeping it classy McLean Gardens!

Anonymous wrote:Maybe if you had spent more time worrying about aesthetics rather than just flat out fighting it, planners would have listened to you. Instead, they went along their merry way knowing what they were designing would be build with nary any oversight.

And on the other, welcome to living in a big city. if you expect otherwise from city services and public access to city services, then you have a Mayberry vision of the world that is unrealistic to Washington DC in 2018 or 2000, or 1982.

God I pray that you are attacked by one of the hood rats that is on their way to Ward 3 bc of the shelter. Im sure you will blame everyome other than the hood rate.

Maybe if you had spent more time worrying about aesthetics rather than just flat out fighting it, planners would have listened to you. Instead, they went along their merry way knowing what they were designing would be build with nary any oversight.

And on the other, welcome to living in a big city. if you expect otherwise from city services and public access to city services, then you have a Mayberry vision of the world that is unrealistic to Washington DC in 2018 or 2000, or 1982.

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Anonymous wrote:People who say that a shelter does not negatively affect property values either don’t actually own property in Ward 3 or own property in ward 3 but far away from the shelter. Its not credible to say that a shelter housing people who have “poor” habits, eg, prone to criminality, will not negatively affect the surrounding neighborhood and amenities. I cant wait for the reactions when the first shelter resident or one of their friends assaults someone minding their own business nat the shopping center or robs someone walking home from work at night.This is a stupid, feel-good policy that is going to cause actual physical damage to some unlucky ward 3 residents not to mention the lower property values.

This is a family shelter, not like the shelter at Second and D ST NW. There are other shelters in Ward 3 and you don't even notice them. This one will be like those. You are stereotyping in the worst way. Like was said before, look in the mirror and just admit, you are a horrible person.

You own no property in Ward 3- just admit it. And you probably work in these shelters or have family that does. The 2d and D shelter, as you tacitly acknowledge, is among the most dangerous places in DC. Poors strewn everywhere in the surrounding streets, urinating and defacating in public, aggressive pan handlers, wild-eyed, strung out on drugs. Family shelter means highly irresponsible, single moms and fatherless children wilding in the streets. And boyfriends and baby daddies stopping by from time to time. Its like the 2d & D shelter, only with a younger, more energized population to prey on the ward 3 residents. Once you own valuable property, your views will change. Its easy to condemn neighborhoods where you dont live to with facilities like this.

Not the previous poster but I live a couple of blocks from Friendship Place in Tenleytown which has served the long term homeless (the type of homeless the paranoid McLean Garden poster on here is terrified of) and walk by Friendship Place every day with my kids and have never had an issue with it and the facility has had zero impact on housing values. In fact the condo building that is literally next door to the facility (and yes it is literally next door) routinely sells its units for over a million. In fact here is the most recent sale I can find - $875K for a 2 bedroom condo:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/4750-41st-St-NW-20016/unit-401/home/10183639

So you are provably wrong. And for good measure you are probably a racist too.

Also I do own a property in Ward 3 - and it is walking distance to an organization that serves the people you are terrified of. I also, without fear, regularly ride the bus with people going to and from Friendship Place.

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To the FP fan-- it's great what they do. I do wonder however how many of the homeless in Whole Foods , Starbucks, the library, metro entrance and bus shelters of Tenleytown are mobile clients of FP? While that may or may not affect surrounding property values, when I can't sit inside of a bus shelter due to its having been converted into a lean to by a homeless person it does impact my quality of life. I am not saying irreparably, but day after day of no bus shelters, no computer banks, no Whole Foods/Starbucks seating (always occupied by homeless) is a tangible impact. Friendship Place provides important services, and I think I would actually support these endeavors more if advocates acknowledged there are some drawbacks such as those mentioned above. Or having people panhandling outside of CVS or erratically screaming in the street. Secondly. it is possible to critique the planning of the new shelter, and question its impact on property values, entirely on its own merits. For one thing, it's ugly. That parking garage. Did the city not waive a bunch of zoning and aesthetic restrictions that they would apply to the hilt on say, you or me, when they pushed it through? That alone has a lasting impact on the surroundings. For another thing, it sounds expensive/wasteful. Will the "apartments' not have rent being paid to the operator that is higher than free market apartments in the area? Is it true that most of the quarters have shared bathroom and kitchen? Last, how will it be administered, and what are the good neighbor agreements? This can quite obviously impact surrounding property values. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:People who say that a shelter does not negatively affect property values either don’t actually own property in Ward 3 or own property in ward 3 but far away from the shelter. Its not credible to say that a shelter housing people who have “poor” habits, eg, prone to criminality, will not negatively affect the surrounding neighborhood and amenities. I cant wait for the reactions when the first shelter resident or one of their friends assaults someone minding their own business nat the shopping center or robs someone walking home from work at night.This is a stupid, feel-good policy that is going to cause actual physical damage to some unlucky ward 3 residents not to mention the lower property values.

This is a family shelter, not like the shelter at Second and D ST NW. There are other shelters in Ward 3 and you don't even notice them. This one will be like those. You are stereotyping in the worst way. Like was said before, look in the mirror and just admit, you are a horrible person.

You own no property in Ward 3- just admit it. And you probably work in these shelters or have family that does. The 2d and D shelter, as you tacitly acknowledge, is among the most dangerous places in DC. Poors strewn everywhere in the surrounding streets, urinating and defacating in public, aggressive pan handlers, wild-eyed, strung out on drugs. Family shelter means highly irresponsible, single moms and fatherless children wilding in the streets. And boyfriends and baby daddies stopping by from time to time. Its like the 2d & D shelter, only with a younger, more energized population to prey on the ward 3 residents. Once you own valuable property, your views will change. Its easy to condemn neighborhoods where you dont live to with facilities like this.

Nope, I have lived in the Ward all of my adult life. Very close to where this shelter is going up. In a house that is likely much more expensive than yours. This will be a family shelter, not a place as you are stereotypingly describing. You are a truly horrible person.