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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

You'd be hard put to find truly open and tolerant intellectual inquiry on campuses today. Look no further than Middlebury, Berkeley, Evergreen State, etc. to witness the violent intolerance of the liberal leftists and social constructionists.

Sure, but you also have places like UChicago, which is fervently supportive of open intellectual debate and discourse.

Also, you're not going to convince me right-wing politicians are in favor of open and tolerant intellectual inquiry.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally hilarious when people think schools like Stanford, Duke, UChicago, etc. are rooted in right-wing politics...

Use this website to look up various schools: https://www.crowdpac.com/games/lookup/universities?name=Stanford%20University The ranking goes from 10L to 10C with 10L being exclusively liberal professors and vice versa. Stanford is ranked a 7.6L- as in highly liberal. It may be 234/446 out of the schools analyzed, but that's just testament to the reality that most colleges and universities are heavily liberal.

uhh hoover institution is at stanford. it's the most high profile conservative university affiliated think tank.

stanford is very conservative/liberterian.

You really need to take a class or read a book about political ideologies and the difference between contemporary "right-wing" politics--Trump, the Tea Party, etc.--and conservatism. They are very different.

The Hoover Institution is actually a good example. They support Trump's deregulation and tax cuts because those are classically fiscally conservative moves; they hate the tariffs because they are diametrically opposed to free trade. The guys at Hoover are conservatives; they aren't "right wing" in the sense OP is talking about.

https://www.hoover.org/research/donald-trumps-trade-travesty

Oh and libertarians despite much of what Trump is doing because it involves increasing the size and authority of the federal government.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

You'd be hard put to find truly open and tolerant intellectual inquiry on campuses today. Look no further than Middlebury, Berkeley, Evergreen State, etc. to witness the violent intolerance of the liberal leftists and social constructionists.

Anonymous wrote:Totally hilarious when people think schools like Stanford, Duke, UChicago, etc. are rooted in right-wing politics...

Use this website to look up various schools: https://www.crowdpac.com/games/lookup/universities?name=Stanford%20University The ranking goes from 10L to 10C with 10L being exclusively liberal professors and vice versa. Stanford is ranked a 7.6L- as in highly liberal. It may be 234/446 out of the schools analyzed, but that's just testament to the reality that most colleges and universities are heavily liberal.

uhh hoover institution is at stanford. it's the most high profile conservative university affiliated think tank.

stanford is very conservative/liberterian.

the ivies would have to move in concert with respect to affirmative action. if only one went 'race blind', there would be a rush of asian applicants such that it would result in a much higher enrollment than even the 'neutral' level of 35-40%.

OP again. I appreciate some of the PPs. I wonder what would become of our great institutions if they become inundated with conservative minded people. As we contemplate merit only admissions, diversity and some degree of creativity might suffer. Risk takers could be under represented.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

Not sure of your point. Conservatism is incompatible with the intellectual inquiry? Generally the conservatives are the ones trying to carry on the Western culture which gave rise to the culture of intellectual inquiry you are speaking of.

You aren't understanding the point.

In contemporary US political parlance, "trying to carry on Western culture" means espousing a version of nationalism that rejects the introduction of other cultural influences (anything that isn't steeped in Christianity and those with Western European backgrounds). It has nothing to do with supporting Enlightenment thinking, which I think is what you're implying when you say "Western culture which gave rise to the culture of intellectual inquiry." People who reject the existence of climate change and want to defund the NIH cannot possibly be said to be carrying on the Western tradition of science-based rational thinking, ala Francis Bacon.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

Not sure of your point. Conservatism is incompatible with the intellectual inquiry? Generally the conservatives are the ones trying to carry on the Western culture which gave rise to the culture of intellectual inquiry you are speaking of.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

I agree. One hallmark of excellent universities is a culture of intellectual curiosity, inquiry, and dialogue, which right-wing people tend to disavow in favor of strict adherence to a set of principles. There's just a very basic incompatibility.

OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

Anonymous wrote:Totally hilarious when people think schools like Stanford, Duke, UChicago, etc. are rooted in right-wing politics...

Use this website to look up various schools: https://www.crowdpac.com/games/lookup/universities?name=Stanford%20University The ranking goes from 10L to 10C with 10L being exclusively liberal professors and vice versa. Stanford is ranked a 7.6L- as in highly liberal. It may be 234/446 out of the schools analyzed, but that's just testament to the reality that most colleges and universities are heavily liberal.

It's because people don't understand the difference between contemporary Democratic and Republican politics and traditional political and economic ideologies. Most professors at these universities vote Democratic even if they consider themselves fiscally conservative because their fiscal conservatism doesn't align with current GOP policies and most of them disagree with the GOP's social agenda.

Totally hilarious when people think schools like Stanford, Duke, UChicago, etc. are rooted in right-wing politics...

Use this website to look up various schools: https://www.crowdpac.com/games/lookup/universities?name=Stanford%20University The ranking goes from 10L to 10C with 10L being exclusively liberal professors and vice versa. Stanford is ranked a 7.6L- as in highly liberal. It may be 234/446 out of the schools analyzed, but that's just testament to the reality that most colleges and universities are heavily liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke, UVA, Chicago.

Chicago is not ‘conservative’ but accepting of all viewpoints. They encourage discussion of all views. Or ‘not ignorant’ , if you will.

Eh. In the current environment, I'd say any institution which is open and tolerant of conservative viewpoints is not leftist.

I understand why to an extent but because of the deplorables, the Left has gotten increasingly intolerant of anything other than lockstep, knee jerk agreement.

It's like all those people who are shouting "down with the ICE." Ok fine. To be replaced with what? Open borders? Something else? They never say. But if you're not willing to go as far as say, get rid of the ICE totally it's like you're a Nazi to them.