This thread is the ultimate DCUM post - perfect 50-50 mix of detailed, on-point posts responsive to the original question and follow-ons, coupled with a jackass or two who have managed to drag in provocative political tangents riffing off nearly every topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Just put down you are black. Race is self reported. No one can deny your self expression. She will get in

I know you are being sarcastic, but it's true. My D's HS had a white girl who openly stated she's putting down as American Indian. She got into 5 ivies plus MIT. Official name for this is, Pocahontas effect. https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/index.html

You and the two posts prior are unhelpful bitter racists.

You're also a liar, since you need a tribal registration for Native American to be considered.

In addition, the article you link, which I doubt you read, points out he wasn't very successful with that method.

What tribal registration has Elizabeth Warren produced?

You need to stop with your name calling. That's always a desperation sign.

You need to answer the challenge, liar. You don't. That's the ULTIMATE desperation sign.

Still name calling. Only because you are a liberal. In your world, everyone not liberal is a racist and a liar.

And you are hyperventilating.

No, in my world, people that tell lies are liars. Like you. If you show me how what you posted wasn't a lie I will a apologize. But we all know you posted lies.

Hundreds of thousands of men and women wake up in the morning counting blessings they are not married to a nutcase like you. Bye bye

Lol. As Winston Churchill said when he heard something similar, "...if you were my wife I would drink it".

Again I will point out you can't defend your lies about a student applying as NA, and because you were caught you resort to ad hominem..

That's a big word there for an alcoholic, "ad hominem." No sense in talking to one.

That's two words.

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Anonymous wrote:Just put down you are black. Race is self reported. No one can deny your self expression. She will get in

I know you are being sarcastic, but it's true. My D's HS had a white girl who openly stated she's putting down as American Indian. She got into 5 ivies plus MIT. Official name for this is, Pocahontas effect. https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/index.html

You and the two posts prior are unhelpful bitter racists.

You're also a liar, since you need a tribal registration for Native American to be considered.

In addition, the article you link, which I doubt you read, points out he wasn't very successful with that method.

What tribal registration has Elizabeth Warren produced?

You need to stop with your name calling. That's always a desperation sign.

You need to answer the challenge, liar. You don't. That's the ULTIMATE desperation sign.

Still name calling. Only because you are a liberal. In your world, everyone not liberal is a racist and a liar.

And you are hyperventilating.

No, in my world, people that tell lies are liars. Like you. If you show me how what you posted wasn't a lie I will a apologize. But we all know you posted lies.

Hundreds of thousands of men and women wake up in the morning counting blessings they are not married to a nutcase like you. Bye bye

Lol. As Winston Churchill said when he heard something similar, "...if you were my wife I would drink it".

Again I will point out you can't defend your lies about a student applying as NA, and because you were caught you resort to ad hominem..

That's a big word there for an alcoholic, "ad hominem." No sense in talking to one.

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Anonymous wrote:Just put down you are black. Race is self reported. No one can deny your self expression. She will get in

I know you are being sarcastic, but it's true. My D's HS had a white girl who openly stated she's putting down as American Indian. She got into 5 ivies plus MIT. Official name for this is, Pocahontas effect. https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/index.html

You and the two posts prior are unhelpful bitter racists.

You're also a liar, since you need a tribal registration for Native American to be considered.

In addition, the article you link, which I doubt you read, points out he wasn't very successful with that method.

What tribal registration has Elizabeth Warren produced?

You need to stop with your name calling. That's always a desperation sign.

You need to answer the challenge, liar. You don't. That's the ULTIMATE desperation sign.

Still name calling. Only because you are a liberal. In your world, everyone not liberal is a racist and a liar.

And you are hyperventilating.

No, in my world, people that tell lies are liars. Like you. If you show me how what you posted wasn't a lie I will a apologize. But we all know you posted lies.

Hundreds of thousands of men and women wake up in the morning counting blessings they are not married to a nutcase like you. Bye bye

Lol. As Winston Churchill said when he heard something similar, "...if you were my wife I would drink it".

Again I will point out you can't defend your lies about a student applying as NA, and because you were caught you resort to ad hominem..

Anonymous wrote:Weird thread. It reads like paid promotional posts.

Promoting what? Racism?

Weird thread. It reads like paid promotional posts.

Anonymous wrote:If 56% of Pomona students get aid and Pomona meets 100% need, then it is impossible for 69% of students to come from sub-$110K households.

Figured out the discrepancy--

The percents are based off students who get financial aid from a school. So within the X% getting financial aid, that's the percent of students who have household incomes of 75K or lower vs. 110K or higher.

According to the CDS, here were the percents for the students at the colleges getting financial aid:

Pomona- 56%
CMC- 40%
Mudd- 50%
Scripps- 36%
Pitzer- 40%

So the actual math is something like--

Pomona: 44% paid full price (likely income above 200K), 39% have HI under 75K and got financial aid, 17% have HI over 75K and got financial aid
CMC- 60% paid full price, 17% have HI under 75K and got financial aid, 23% have HI over 75K and got financial aid
...and so forth.

This was a big oversight on my end, so I apologize for citing faulty data. Anyways, I think I've said enough on the matter and it's not related to the question of the topic, so I'll stop.

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is from tax returns. It's as reliable as it's gonna get.

I'm not going to dispute the data, but if you look across the Claremont Colleges with this data, the point still remains that Pomona does better in access than all of them.

The median family income of a Pomona College student is $166K.

If 56% of Pomona students get aid and Pomona meets 100% need, then it is impossible for 69% of students to come from sub-$110K households.

Oh, I misread. The NYTimes data is from 2013 students- I thought it was from 2002. I don't know why the discrepancy exists, because Pomona's IPEDs report says something else. There are other metrics as well, like Pell Grant percent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/10/23/pell-grant-shares-at-top-ranked-colleges-a-sortable-chart/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.49f6b54a915e

Pomona- 22%
Scripps- 8%
Harvey Mudd- 11%
Claremont McKenna- 13%
Pitzer- 13%

There's also this other socieconomic access metric from NY Times, in which only three private schools rank in the top 10, including Pomona- https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/25/sunday-review/opinion-pell-table.html

So the point really is that I don't think the demographics of Pomona's student body really match the sort of elitism it gets attributed to- it definitely has the biggest chunk of low income students of the colleges and I believe first-gen students as well. As mentioned, I did QuestBridge, which partners with 40 top schools, and Pomona is known for having one of the strongest chapters and communities for low-income students.

NYTimes is from tax returns. It's as reliable as it's gonna get.

Anonymous wrote:Niche is all self reported data and not a reliable source. FFR.

It's not Niche's data, it's from institutional research all colleges have to report to the federal government. Niche just catalogs it from publicly available data located in IPEDs, so I included them since it's not the easiest to find. But if you do want to find it, I put the instructions to look at it on the IPEDs tool.

The NYTimes data is not current. The financial background data is for 2014-2015 students, the latest data available at the moment.

Niche is all self reported data and not a reliable source. FFR.

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Anonymous wrote: I actually looked it up based on government data and Pomona has 69% of students with a household income below 75K and 22% above 110K, compared to 33%/52% at Scripps, 43%/45% at Claremont McKenna, 45%/36% at Pitzer, and 35%/46% at Harvey Mudd. As a previously low-income student, I definitely felt I would fit in best among Pomona students entering college.

69% of students at Pomona come from families with HI below 75k? Wow. The figures for all the colleges, not just Pomona, are impressive. The eastern LACs will have very different ratios.

I have a difficult time believing that number! Do you have a link?

If you go to IPEDs (https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter), click on an institution, and search "Reported Data", on the Student Financial Aid & Net Prices component you can see this data.

It's kind of a pain to find, but Niche already includes it in their data for different schools, if you want to see it quickly:

https://www.niche.com/colleges/pomona-college/students/
https://www.niche.com/colleges/pitzer-college/students/
https://www.niche.com/colleges/scripps-college/students/
https://www.niche.com/colleges/claremont-mckenna-college/students/
https://www.niche.com/colleges/harvey-mudd-college/students/

Average family income of Pomona students is pretty consistent with Pomona's peer schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/pomona-college


Students from family income in top 1% = 14%
Students from family income in top 20% = 67%
Students from family income in bottom 20% = 4.4%