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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

NP. If you think the best kid in math in each grade at each school is an outlier or has no peer group you're just wrong.

First of all, that's just the kid who has had the most hothousing at home. It's the kid who has a "mathy" parent--usually it's the dad. Usually the kid is male and the dad loves to think his son is a chip off the old block and looks for every example of his son being "mathy" as well. Dad is obsessed with math contests etc. Or it's the kid whose mom is a teacher who takes an interest in making her child look advanced in math. Or it's the kid who has been doing weekend school since she was 3. Only rarely is it the kid who figured out algebra on his own in preschool but gets no enrichment.

Its not really fair to hothouse your kid and then complain about peer group. And it's under the guise of "my kid just demands harder math" or "it's only right that he's challenged" or whatever. And then it's "well, my child was deemed an outlier and advanced 2 grades in math." Nothing about how he was taught those two years of math early at home or in Russian school of math. There isn't anything terrible about working ahead in math (and it really easy to do this in early elementary), but to then complain about peer group...

Sit your kid down with the next highest math kid in his class and watch them attack a novel problem and you'd be surprised.

A kid who enters first grade reading at a 6th grade level doesn't go to 6th grade. Somehow he works with his peers and survives. A somehow the other kids catch up.

Yes, there are outliers! But the 7yo doing long division or the 9yo doing systems of equations isn't one. I personally know a few of these kids, and they are bright kids who were pushed ahead in math. Some were grade skipped. Some were not. For the most part they evened out.

Anonymous wrote:^ additionally: I’m betting you’re the angry former teacher, and you just have sour grapes that your child, who was deemed by the psychologist to be the smartest kid to grace this planet, wasn’t skipped ahead in math. Clearly, if your kid isn’t enough of an outlier, then no kids are outliers.

Clearly, indeed.

^ additionally: I’m betting you’re the angry former teacher, and you just have sour grapes that your child, who was deemed by the psychologist to be the smartest kid to grace this planet, wasn’t skipped ahead in math. Clearly, if your kid isn’t enough of an outlier, then no kids are outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

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Anonymous wrote:Are you sure your school even does any meaningful level II services? We received a letter home in my Kindergartener's take-home folder during the last week of school. Same was true for my older--last week or two of K and 1st. But the actual services were pretty meaningless. No pullouts, just differentiation in the classroom. We also got a letter home back on May telling us everyone would be screened and notified by June 8th, I think it was.

OP here. I am sure that my school does NO meaningful level II services. BUT they do identify kids and it does go in the Level IV application packet. I would have liked some kind of information that you got there with the letter home, etc., LOL.

A few years ago, after DC1 finished K, another friend told me that she got a letter sent home from our school saying her kid, who also had just finished K, was identified for Level II. I did just ask another friend who has a kid who just finished 2nd grade at our base school (and will attend Level IV in the fall) if her kid was identified for Level II after K and she said she recalls no letter and that she believes it just started showing up on the report card at some point. Yet another friend who also has a kid who just finished K hadn’t received any letter prior to the last day of school this year. I just asked her if she’s gotten anything since then. I guess if she’s gotten nothing by now either or confirms that she has gotten something - I’ll drop it for the summer.

I get that they are only in K but FCPS does identify kids for Level II after K so this is why I am thinking about it.

Having Level II on the Level IV packet means nothing. There are many kids who received Level II services who aren't found eligible and vice versa. You're getting way to obsessed with this. My DC didn't have Level II services and was found eligible for Level IV first round. DC's best friend received Level II services and was found ineligible for Level IV. If you DC has the scores and GBRS, no one cares that he didn't have Level II pullout. If your DC doesn't have the scores and GBRS, no one care that he had Level II pullout. It's an independent determination. Enjoy your summer and stop obsessing about this.

+1.

DC#3 had level II services in 1st and 2nd, DRA of 28 in first grade, iready scores that topped out and was denied Level IV, I think due to a 10 GBRS.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact there are delusional parents in Fairfax does not mean that outliers do not, in fact, exist. Sorry to burst your bubble, angry, former teacher with the most brilliant child evaluated by a psychologist.

Of course - and I’ve taught a few (4) out of many, many years. Guess how many parents thought their kids were these outliers in all those years? I’m NOT saying my kid is the brightest. I’m saying what the psychologist said about his results and yet he somehow manages to still learn in fcps. Imagine that

Most of the delusional parents don’t have the test scores to corroborate their view of their kids’ intelligence. They instead think their kids are just “bad test takers.” My kid manages to learn in all non math subjects in fcps. The only reason he learns in math is due to the grade skips. I doubt the math grade skips would have been offered if that weren’t the appropriate placement.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact there are delusional parents in Fairfax does not mean that outliers do not, in fact, exist. Sorry to burst your bubble, angry, former teacher with the most brilliant child evaluated by a psychologist.

Of course - and I’ve taught a few (4) out of many, many years. Guess how many parents thought their kids were these outliers in all those years? I’m NOT saying my kid is the brightest. I’m saying what the psychologist said about his results and yet he somehow manages to still learn in fcps. Imagine that

I don’t think any of the posters have made the claim that their child is not learning in FCPS. If my outlier child were not learning, he’d be somewhere else. You jump from “I wish there weren’t a DRA ceiling” to “my child is not learning”. Making things up.

Anonymous wrote:The fact there are delusional parents in Fairfax does not mean that outliers do not, in fact, exist. Sorry to burst your bubble, angry, former teacher with the most brilliant child evaluated by a psychologist.

Of course - and I’ve taught a few (4) out of many, many years. Guess how many parents thought their kids were these outliers in all those years? I’m NOT saying my kid is the brightest. I’m saying what the psychologist said about his results and yet he somehow manages to still learn in fcps. Imagine that

Anonymous wrote:Really bright kids don’t need to be told to make up math problems in their free time. Kids whose parents want them to appear bright to their teachers do this, though.

DP I agree with you up to a point. My nephew who is bright likes to do this but, I do want to point out that kids who are bright in other areas may not do this ( think good at sports, art etc) and because they may not like math that does not mean they aren't bright.

Btw, my kids would not be making up math problems no matter how much I suggested! My nephew was begging my bro to make up problems for him ( before he was in kindergarten) so I do know they exist!

The fact there are delusional parents in Fairfax does not mean that outliers do not, in fact, exist. Sorry to burst your bubble, angry, former teacher with the most brilliant child evaluated by a psychologist.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

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Anonymous wrote:Former teacher: in all of your years of teaching, you’ve never encountered an academic outlier?

My kid likewise doesn’t have an academic peer group in math. I know this because my child’s teacher and the math specialist directly told me. The solution for my child was to take math class with a higher grade level. Theoretically, the same should be possible for PP’s kid. At the very least, higher level materials could be used for language arts instruction. There’s no point at all in instructing a kid at a level the kid has already mastered.

NP. Eh, I can see from the school webpage that my DC was the best reader in his grade in K and 1st. Is that harmful? No. Do I want him to be moved up to the next grade for ELA? No. That's a lot of stress for not much reward.

How can you see your child’s ranking relative to the other children? How are they even determining which kid is the best reader? I call BS on this entire post.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.