Anonymous
06/12/2018 15:44
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
^^^ Yaass
Anonymous
06/12/2018 15:39
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks. But, I really don't think any kid should be trying to do two travel sports in the same season.
1) it automatically teaches kids the wrong thing--- not making a commitment to the team.
Any kid that is going to sign up for travel has a commitment to the Coach and teammates. It's really infuriating to have players miss tournaments or games for another sport.
My kids were athletic and did very well in multiple sports at a young age---soccer, flag football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball.
But, I only let them play one travel sport per season. With soccer, it's pretty much year-round.
I also tried to minimize signing up for any sport that would have conflicts. So--it was winter Rec basketball and travel soccer. One year--flag football (games Saturdays) and travel soccer(games Sundays).
I found baseball to hard to juggle since the increase and games, length of practices, game times. It would have required a full-time commitment that wasn't possible with travel soccer. I do know kids that do it. When they get to a higher team in soccer--the coach usually makes them make a choice. I am sure the travel baseball coach does the same.
It's just not fair to teammates to have teammates that repeatedly miss games/practices.
Again, NO!
Youth travel sports at 8 years old are not about "Commitment to the Team". They are about exposing CHILDREN to a sport and teaching them the necessary skills to succeed in that sport. If the kid, without practice, is still good enough to start over your child you need to worry more about your kid and less about someone else's kid. If the other kid does decide to take baseball more seriously my guess is your kid still isn't starting.
Do you ask your kid everyday after school what kids were not in class that day? As long as there are enough kids to have practice and field a team for a game the attendance of the other kid is not something that affects your kid at all.
You are so wrong.
If your kid cannot make it to practice, even for his rec team, he only should be playing the minimum
I dont think you understand how rec teams work. It's about learning.
I don't think you understand being part of a team.
You're not making sense.
Take MSI rec soccer, age 7. One kid is a star. Natural talent, etc. Shows up to practice. Other kid AWFUL. Shows up to practice because forced by parents. During a game, star kid is a star, while other kid literally picks flowers and even scores once for the other team.
Both are getting equal playing time, but the star is frustrated because the other kid is awful. Star plays other sports where teammates are better, so he prefers to play there. Rec team suffers.
Is it about learning, or sports mentality, or fairness? You can't have it all.
At age 7? 1st or 2nd graders on a rec team? Everyone should get at least the minimum playing time, even the daisy picker.
But the key thing you are arguing about is bolded and underlined. If the star attends practice, he should play/start. That is not the dispute here. The dispute is whether the star who does not attend practice should be able to waltz in and start/get more playing time over the kids who are attending practice regularly. He should not, especially in baseball. He wasn't there to practice drills. He wasn't there to practice fielding with the team. There are a dozen kids on a little league roster, with 3 kids benched each inning. All of those 3 are not going to be daisy pickers. One might be a daisy picker, one might be a kid who gives it his all but at 7 or 8 is not a developed player, and one might be a solid player. If all of those three have attended all the practices, why should they be on the bench while the kid who has never attended practice get to start? He shouldn't. No matter how good he is. The average kid who has tried week in and out should be a starter while the kid who only pops in for games should be on the bench cheering snd supporting his teammates.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 15:35
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:the main point is no matter what age or level if your on a team your making a commitment to your teammates and coaches. teach your kids to fulfill them.. if they don't like don't put them on the team again. if its just for fun take your kid to the park and play with them. but if your on a team you owe it to the team to not only show up but give your best effort. not saying you have to be the best but you should demand your child give his best. if not everyone suffers. team sports is about learning and competing at whatever level. hence the word sport. take your kids out to play for just fun it requires no commitment to others
I think that you are missing the point that the sense of "team" at 8 years old is overstated and not necessary. You need a "team" to train how to play the sport but each kid is there for their own fundamental skill building not for team success or camaraderie. Psychologically most kids at that age are all in the developmental stage of "me and my ball" and the concept of "team" has very little meaning to the child. If you simply understand that at these ages all the kids need are a cohort of players where they can share the experience of learning the skills necessary to play as team later on. The only commitment a parent should have is to their kid and not a set of other kids. Other than making sure there are enough kids to play a game and run a proper training session the group of kids are secondary.
You are placing cognitive/developmental attributes on children based on adult sensibilities. I stated earlier that I do not remember my elementary age teams. I remember the experience, but I do not associate the concept of team until my middle school years. In a couple of weeks your team will have no recollection of Timmy missing practices and just playing games. And it would be good if you forgot about it sooner than a couple of years.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 15:21
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
the main point is no matter what age or level if your on a team your making a commitment to your teammates and coaches. teach your kids to fulfill them.. if they don't like don't put them on the team again. if its just for fun take your kid to the park and play with them. but if your on a team you owe it to the team to not only show up but give your best effort. not saying you have to be the best but you should demand your child give his best. if not everyone suffers. team sports is about learning and competing at whatever level. hence the word sport. take your kids out to play for just fun it requires no commitment to others
Anonymous
06/12/2018 15:01
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
What they are saying is that signing up for 2 sports when you know you will be missing all practices and just popping in for games now and then, is utterly unfair to everyone else on the team, even if that team is just rec.
The debate is coming in response to to the poster who said they had one travel soccer kid on their rec team who attended zero practices and missed a ton of games.
At that point, there is no point in bothering to play on that rec team. The parents need to quit being selfish and commit to what they can commit to instead of signing up for everything just so they can brag about how many sports their kid plays.
I think it depends. We have some players on my son's U10 rec soccer team who miss tons of games and practices because baseball is their primary sport and they have other obligations. No one really cares because the rec team roster is pretty big, and there's a fair number of decent players. The coach just rotates these kids in with other weaker players when they show up. It doesn't hurt anything.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:59
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is saying kids should not play 2 sports.
What they are saying is that signing up for 2 sports when you know you will be missing all practices and just popping in for games now and then, is utterly unfair to everyone else on the team, even if that team is just rec.
The debate is coming in response to to the poster who said they had one travel soccer kid on their rec team who attended zero practices and missed a ton of games.
At that point, there is no point in bothering to play on that rec team. The parents need to quit being selfish and commit to what they can commit to instead of signing up for everything just so they can brag about how many sports their kid plays.
Says the parent of the non-athletic kid. Not everyone is cut out for sports.
Many of the stars at 7 or 8 (really in elementary) are not necessarily the stars in older elementary, middle school or high school. Some are, but not all or even many (when you are talking about 7 and 8 year olds).
A lot of being a star at that young age is being physically bigger than the other kids. A lot is having parents who will say yes/drive/pay for everything. A lot of it might be peers who are just slow starters.
One of our neighbor kids was a daisy picker when he was little, a day dreamer when he was 6 to 7, and the kid just playing because his friends were doing it in 3rd.
In 4th, he grew a bit and everything clicked. He started hitting almost every at bat and made the all star team that year, a level above all the kids his age who were the top player at 5 to 9 years old. Fifth he improved even more. If he keeps going that way, the 8 year old bench warmer might end up being one of the high school players.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:58
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you skip every practice to only show up for games as a starter or star player, you are not part of the team. You are nothing more than a ringer.
An 8 year old ringer now?
If he is not part of the team than what is he then?
Somebody with a parent that brings him to games.
Team builds together. Teams put in the work together.
There is no “I” in team.
Plenty of kids miss practices for family events and non-sports extracurriculars. It’s little kid sports, not the pros.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:54
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Little league baseball is a time suck compared to travel soccer. Travel soccer games are an hour. Baseball games can last over 2 hours. Starting at age 8, the better kids are in a kid pitch division and playing with 9 year olds and developing 10 year olds. If your 8 year old has never played then he might play with 6,7 and 8 year olds.
Little league goes by however old you are on Sept.1st. Is your child still going to be 8 or will they be 9 by Sept. 1st.
Trying to do travel soccer and little league at 9 is really hard. My son wanted to play little league and winter basketball and travel soccer. To do so he had to bump down a soccer level and went from A team to B team. It was worth it to him and for us to be able to play multiple sports. He couldn't miss any soccer practices on A team to play other sports, but he can alternate practices between b team practices and other sports.
I disagree that it is hard. My son - middle school age - has done travel soccer and Little League for over 4 years. What did make it a pain was adding travel baseball in this year on top! We didn't have many conflicts - if we did we usually split them though now that he is the goalie it's harder to make soccer. But, for us soccer is usually Friday evening or Saturday morning/mid day. Little League is usually Saturday midday to evening and travel baseball is Sunday mornings. Lot of baseball.
But, he can't pick and I don't think he should!
Us too. Our son is in his second season of doing both, u11 soccer and rec baseball. He has been able to do both with no problem. That does mean he has a practice or game pretty much every night in the spring , but I don’t think we have ever gone a week without at least one rain out. He loves to be with both sets of teammates anyway. He wants to add travel baseball this year. I’m not going to worry about conflicts until he makes a travel baseball team, but his club is somewhat supportive of playing additional sports in the spring as long as he makes most games and at least one practice a week.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:52
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
U9 was DS's first travel soccer year. He didn't play little league in the fall, but he did in the spring (after getting a real feel for how much time travel soccer would eat). The little league coach who drafted him knew that travel soccer was going to trump baseball at every conflict. I think DS missed only one little league game, though, and I'm not sure he ultimately missed any practices (although he often was late). So, my experience is: It's doable, but it's a lot!
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:49
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks. But, I really don't think any kid should be trying to do two travel sports in the same season.
1) it automatically teaches kids the wrong thing--- not making a commitment to the team.
Any kid that is going to sign up for travel has a commitment to the Coach and teammates. It's really infuriating to have players miss tournaments or games for another sport.
My kids were athletic and did very well in multiple sports at a young age---soccer, flag football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball.
But, I only let them play one travel sport per season. With soccer, it's pretty much year-round.
I also tried to minimize signing up for any sport that would have conflicts. So--it was winter Rec basketball and travel soccer. One year--flag football (games Saturdays) and travel soccer(games Sundays).
I found baseball to hard to juggle since the increase and games, length of practices, game times. It would have required a full-time commitment that wasn't possible with travel soccer. I do know kids that do it. When they get to a higher team in soccer--the coach usually makes them make a choice. I am sure the travel baseball coach does the same.
It's just not fair to teammates to have teammates that repeatedly miss games/practices.
Again, NO!
Youth travel sports at 8 years old are not about "Commitment to the Team". They are about exposing CHILDREN to a sport and teaching them the necessary skills to succeed in that sport. If the kid, without practice, is still good enough to start over your child you need to worry more about your kid and less about someone else's kid. If the other kid does decide to take baseball more seriously my guess is your kid still isn't starting.
Do you ask your kid everyday after school what kids were not in class that day? As long as there are enough kids to have practice and field a team for a game the attendance of the other kid is not something that affects your kid at all.
You are so wrong.
If your kid cannot make it to practice, even for his rec team, he only should be playing the minimum
I dont think you understand how rec teams work. It's about learning.
I don't think you understand being part of a team.
You're not making sense.
Take MSI rec soccer, age 7. One kid is a star. Natural talent, etc. Shows up to practice. Other kid AWFUL. Shows up to practice because forced by parents. During a game, star kid is a star, while other kid literally picks flowers and even scores once for the other team.
Both are getting equal playing time, but the star is frustrated because the other kid is awful. Star plays other sports where teammates are better, so he prefers to play there. Rec team suffers.
Is it about learning, or sports mentality, or fairness? You can't have it all.
How does a Rec team at age 7 suffer? Not winning? Are scores even kept at that age? Does the play really change if one player it not playing?
not PP, but yeah the result will be different if the star is not there playing for a U8 rec team. Big time.
same question here, does the practice suffer if one player is not there? Why some parents are so obsessed with other people's kids not going to practice for a Rec league?
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:39
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
As a parent, there is not one coach who will be able to tell me when/where practices will be before I sign up my child so i can deconflict schedules before i sign up. no club is willing to refund my money after they tell me when practices are going to be.
and every club/coach wants me to sign up my kids as soon as an offers made or registration opens so they can have a head count or enough kids.
Once i can get a prorated refund, no reason required, then i’d fee better about this same season only 1 activity nonsense.
and every club/coach wants me to sign up my kids as soon as an offers made or registration opens so they can have a head count or enough kids.
Once i can get a prorated refund, no reason required, then i’d fee better about this same season only 1 activity nonsense.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:38
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks. But, I really don't think any kid should be trying to do two travel sports in the same season.
1) it automatically teaches kids the wrong thing--- not making a commitment to the team.
Any kid that is going to sign up for travel has a commitment to the Coach and teammates. It's really infuriating to have players miss tournaments or games for another sport.
My kids were athletic and did very well in multiple sports at a young age---soccer, flag football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball.
But, I only let them play one travel sport per season. With soccer, it's pretty much year-round.
I also tried to minimize signing up for any sport that would have conflicts. So--it was winter Rec basketball and travel soccer. One year--flag football (games Saturdays) and travel soccer(games Sundays).
I found baseball to hard to juggle since the increase and games, length of practices, game times. It would have required a full-time commitment that wasn't possible with travel soccer. I do know kids that do it. When they get to a higher team in soccer--the coach usually makes them make a choice. I am sure the travel baseball coach does the same.
It's just not fair to teammates to have teammates that repeatedly miss games/practices.
Again, NO!
Youth travel sports at 8 years old are not about "Commitment to the Team". They are about exposing CHILDREN to a sport and teaching them the necessary skills to succeed in that sport. If the kid, without practice, is still good enough to start over your child you need to worry more about your kid and less about someone else's kid. If the other kid does decide to take baseball more seriously my guess is your kid still isn't starting.
Do you ask your kid everyday after school what kids were not in class that day? As long as there are enough kids to have practice and field a team for a game the attendance of the other kid is not something that affects your kid at all.
You are so wrong.
If your kid cannot make it to practice, even for his rec team, he only should be playing the minimum
I dont think you understand how rec teams work. It's about learning.
I don't think you understand being part of a team.
You're not making sense.
Take MSI rec soccer, age 7. One kid is a star. Natural talent, etc. Shows up to practice. Other kid AWFUL. Shows up to practice because forced by parents. During a game, star kid is a star, while other kid literally picks flowers and even scores once for the other team.
Both are getting equal playing time, but the star is frustrated because the other kid is awful. Star plays other sports where teammates are better, so he prefers to play there. Rec team suffers.
Is it about learning, or sports mentality, or fairness? You can't have it all.
How does a Rec team at age 7 suffer? Not winning? Are scores even kept at that age? Does the play really change if one player it not playing?
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:28
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:No one is saying kids should not play 2 sports.
What they are saying is that signing up for 2 sports when you know you will be missing all practices and just popping in for games now and then, is utterly unfair to everyone else on the team, even if that team is just rec.
The debate is coming in response to to the poster who said they had one travel soccer kid on their rec team who attended zero practices and missed a ton of games.
At that point, there is no point in bothering to play on that rec team. The parents need to quit being selfish and commit to what they can commit to instead of signing up for everything just so they can brag about how many sports their kid plays.
Says the parent of the non-athletic kid. Not everyone is cut out for sports.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:27
Subject: Re:Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks. But, I really don't think any kid should be trying to do two travel sports in the same season.
1) it automatically teaches kids the wrong thing--- not making a commitment to the team.
Any kid that is going to sign up for travel has a commitment to the Coach and teammates. It's really infuriating to have players miss tournaments or games for another sport.
My kids were athletic and did very well in multiple sports at a young age---soccer, flag football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball.
But, I only let them play one travel sport per season. With soccer, it's pretty much year-round.
I also tried to minimize signing up for any sport that would have conflicts. So--it was winter Rec basketball and travel soccer. One year--flag football (games Saturdays) and travel soccer(games Sundays).
I found baseball to hard to juggle since the increase and games, length of practices, game times. It would have required a full-time commitment that wasn't possible with travel soccer. I do know kids that do it. When they get to a higher team in soccer--the coach usually makes them make a choice. I am sure the travel baseball coach does the same.
It's just not fair to teammates to have teammates that repeatedly miss games/practices.
Again, NO!
Youth travel sports at 8 years old are not about "Commitment to the Team". They are about exposing CHILDREN to a sport and teaching them the necessary skills to succeed in that sport. If the kid, without practice, is still good enough to start over your child you need to worry more about your kid and less about someone else's kid. If the other kid does decide to take baseball more seriously my guess is your kid still isn't starting.
Do you ask your kid everyday after school what kids were not in class that day? As long as there are enough kids to have practice and field a team for a game the attendance of the other kid is not something that affects your kid at all.
You are so wrong.
If your kid cannot make it to practice, even for his rec team, he only should be playing the minimum
I dont think you understand how rec teams work. It's about learning.
I don't think you understand being part of a team.
You're not making sense.
Take MSI rec soccer, age 7. One kid is a star. Natural talent, etc. Shows up to practice. Other kid AWFUL. Shows up to practice because forced by parents. During a game, star kid is a star, while other kid literally picks flowers and even scores once for the other team.
Both are getting equal playing time, but the star is frustrated because the other kid is awful. Star plays other sports where teammates are better, so he prefers to play there. Rec team suffers.
Is it about learning, or sports mentality, or fairness? You can't have it all.
Anonymous
06/12/2018 14:07
Subject: Travel soccer plus little league
Anonymous wrote:No one is saying kids should not play 2 sports.
What they are saying is that signing up for 2 sports when you know you will be missing all practices and just popping in for games now and then, is utterly unfair to everyone else on the team, even if that team is just rec.
The debate is coming in response to to the poster who said they had one travel soccer kid on their rec team who attended zero practices and missed a ton of games.
At that point, there is no point in bothering to play on that rec team. The parents need to quit being selfish and commit to what they can commit to instead of signing up for everything just so they can brag about how many sports their kid plays.
It is almost impossible to play multiple sports without playing two overlapping or two in the same season anymore. So, when kids are in elementary school stop with the travel team commitment nonsense. Our jobs as parents is to expose our kids to many experiences and opportunities and what is unfair is sport leagues and clubs demanding nearly 100% of a kids time and commitment to a single sport at such a young age.