Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:58     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

It's ranked the 11th best public school for undergraduate education.


? Are we looking at the same list? I see William and Mary at #7; I don't see UVA anywhere.

You need to keep scrolling.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:56     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

It's ranked the 11th best public school for undergraduate education.


? Are we looking at the same list? I see William and Mary at #7; I don't see UVA anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:52     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

It's ranked the 11th best public school for undergraduate education.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:50     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Anonymous wrote:Certain programs are prestigious but others are not.

Undergrad? Yes. Top 5 public university in virtually any undergraduate focused ranking.

English and law graduate programs? Yes.

STEM programs? No.

Overall graduate school/global world research oriented reputation? No.


Really? Show me one ranking that has UVA in the top 5 for undergraduate education.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:49     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
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Anonymous wrote:Most state flagships are prestigious within their state. If a state flagship had over 25% or more of it's student body from out of state and has convinced them to pay out of state tuition without having to pull them in with substantial merit grants, then it is definitely prestigious outside the state as well because now these kids are choosing it over some private schools. I think UVA is over 30% out of state. That qualifies as prestigious in my book and I'm not from Virginia


And Michigan is at 50/50.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/03/29/university-michigan-nearly-half-students-now-from-out-state/PuwM6sQz164bOjttH1RDPN/amp.html

Basing prestige on how many out of state students doesn’t really make sense because states are different in their policies/laws regarding how many they’ll accept. For example Michigan says straight out that they love out of state students because they bring with them $60K/year, vs. instate kids who only bring in ~25K/year (and are more likely to need fin aid) and it’s a means by which they can balance budget woes. Whereas a state like North Carolina has *laws* that state that a certain percentage of the UNCCH incoming class MUST come from North Carolina.

Another example: University of Vermont is 79% out of state. West Virginia is 48% out of state. UDel is 65% out of state. On the other hand, UC Berkeley is 15% out of state, UW Madison is 26% out of state, UCLA is 16% out of state. I think we can all agree that UC Berkeley holds way more cache than University of Delaware or West Virginia University...


Wait wait — You think University of Michigan has budget woes? LOL

Michigan’s endowment was 11 billion in 2017. Yes they love out of state tuition, but they aren’t exactly strapped for cash!



Effects of endowments can be hard to read. In the case of Michigan, it is spread across 45K students, perhaps 1/3rd or so is likely associated with the medical center and supports relatively few students, and it could be unevenly distributed between schools like Ross, the law school, and athletics. Still, it is likely in a much better position than many state schools. I think Michigan chips in more per student than Virginia, despite its economic issues.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:48     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Certain programs are prestigious but others are not.

Undergrad? Yes. Top 5 public university in virtually any undergraduate focused ranking.

English and law graduate programs? Yes.

STEM programs? No.

Overall graduate school/global world research oriented reputation? No.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:45     Subject: Re:Is uva a prestigious college?
Actually there are some (many people in NOVA perhaps) that want to pick a school based on "prestige." These are people who are maybe new to the USA who aren't necessarily familiar with the various colleges but want their kid to go to a "prestigious" college. It's an honest question. Sounds like a mixed bag of responses; some say yes, others say it's good but not necessarily "prestigious."

I am one who thinks you need to separate UVA's quality of undergraduate education from the reputation of the business school and law school.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:41     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Anonymous wrote:Falls into the “I don’t think less of someone for having gone there, but it doesn’t make me think more highly of them either” category. Like many schools. Basically, only other alumns might find it an interesting/important fact.

if you think more or less of someone based off of what school they went to, that's really weird.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:39     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Falls into the “I don’t think less of someone for having gone there, but it doesn’t make me think more highly of them either” category. Like many schools. Basically, only other alumns might find it an interesting/important fact.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:39     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
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Anonymous wrote:No, not nationally. It’s only popular in this area. None of my CA friends have even heard of it.


That says more about your friends than it does about UVA. It's the flagship of one of our 50 states. It's like saying you haven't heard of the University of Texas, or Michigan, or New Hampshire. You may not regard it highly or know much about it, but to not have heard of it means you must walk around with your head in a bag.


NP. We lived in northern CA for 5 years and my dh is a UVA alum. People didn’t regard UVA as any different than any other big state U. It’s not that it’s unheard of, it’s just that it isn’t considered among the elites.

+1 another from CA


UVA is an elite public university. Whether some Californians are aware of that or choose to acknowledge it speaks only to their own mindset. It’s like .


I can do that. They're both harder to get into than UVA and more prestigious in academic circles.


Yes, and some Californians know of UVA's prestige. Your comment proves nothing, other than that you are an ass.


? I was responding to the pp who said it was like "asking some people on the East Coast to weigh in on Pomona or Claremont McKenna." Anyone who went through the process this year looking for good schools can do that. Both of those are are better for undergraduate education than UVA. That's not even debatable. As noted above, UVA's "prestige" rests mostly on its business school and Law School. Good school to be sure if you're in-state, but then you're going to school with a lot of your NOVA classmates - if that's waht you want fine.


probably a moot point since Pomona and Claremont-McKenna are much harder to get into that UVA.


It's quite dumb to compare the admissions process of a tiny LAC or even a small private university (for undergrad) to a state flagship in hopes of establishing prestige. CMC and Pomona are tiny schools with less than 1700 students, and they get all the applicants who desire an elite LAC experience out in the West Coast. It's very easy for them to attain a single digit acceptance rate. UVA is a huge public school with nearly 17000 undergraduates, and has a commitment to its state's undergraduates. Maybe it's true that getting into Pomona is harder, maybe even much harder, but that has nothing to do with the prestige of the school in my opinion.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:36     Subject: Re:Is uva a prestigious college?
Anonymous wrote:It's certainly debatable, especially when you factor cost into the equation.


Agreed but that goes to the issue of popularity, not prestige.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:22     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
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Anonymous wrote:No, not nationally. It’s only popular in this area. None of my CA friends have even heard of it.


That says more about your friends than it does about UVA. It's the flagship of one of our 50 states. It's like saying you haven't heard of the University of Texas, or Michigan, or New Hampshire. You may not regard it highly or know much about it, but to not have heard of it means you must walk around with your head in a bag.


NP. We lived in northern CA for 5 years and my dh is a UVA alum. People didn’t regard UVA as any different than any other big state U. It’s not that it’s unheard of, it’s just that it isn’t considered among the elites.

+1 another from CA


UVA is an elite public university. Whether some Californians are aware of that or choose to acknowledge it speaks only to their own mindset. It’s like .


I can do that. They're both harder to get into than UVA and more prestigious in academic circles.


Yes, and some Californians know of UVA's prestige. Your comment proves nothing, other than that you are an ass.


? I was responding to the pp who said it was like "asking some people on the East Coast to weigh in on Pomona or Claremont McKenna." Anyone who went through the process this year looking for good schools can do that. Both of those are are better for undergraduate education than UVA. That's not even debatable. As noted above, UVA's "prestige" rests mostly on its business school and Law School. Good school to be sure if you're in-state, but then you're going to school with a lot of your NOVA classmates - if that's waht you want fine.


probably a moot point since Pomona and Claremont-McKenna are much harder to get into that UVA.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:22     Subject: Re:Is uva a prestigious college?
It's certainly debatable, especially when you factor cost into the equation.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:18     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
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Anonymous wrote:No, not nationally. It’s only popular in this area. None of my CA friends have even heard of it.


That says more about your friends than it does about UVA. It's the flagship of one of our 50 states. It's like saying you haven't heard of the University of Texas, or Michigan, or New Hampshire. You may not regard it highly or know much about it, but to not have heard of it means you must walk around with your head in a bag.


NP. We lived in northern CA for 5 years and my dh is a UVA alum. People didn’t regard UVA as any different than any other big state U. It’s not that it’s unheard of, it’s just that it isn’t considered among the elites.

+1 another from CA


UVA is an elite public university. Whether some Californians are aware of that or choose to acknowledge it speaks only to their own mindset. It’s like .


I can do that. They're both harder to get into than UVA and more prestigious in academic circles.


Yes, and some Californians know of UVA's prestige. Your comment proves nothing, other than that you are an ass.


? I was responding to the pp who said it was like "asking some people on the East Coast to weigh in on Pomona or Claremont McKenna." Anyone who went through the process this year looking for good schools can do that. Both of those are are better for undergraduate education than UVA. That's not even debatable. As noted above, UVA's "prestige" rests mostly on its business school and Law School. Good school to be sure if you're in-state, but then you're going to school with a lot of your NOVA classmates - if that's waht you want fine.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2018 11:12     Subject: Is uva a prestigious college?
Why so much hatred for UVA? It has to be jealousy, plain and simple. It’s obviously a prestigious school. Numbers don’t lie.

It’s also full of students with Pomona/CMC numbers . . .