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AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

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I'm not going to sue FCPS, since both of my kids got into AAP and I have no sour grapes. I just recognize that most kids in AAP aren't really that smart or that special, and there's so much delusion on this board about being "selected first round." My older child is a bright (like 95th percentile intelligence), motivated kid, and she's very middle of the pack in AAP. I have no delusions that she deserves or needs AAP more than a child with a freaking 140 IQ!! It seems like many parents with bright, non-gifted, hardworking, overly enriched children are latching onto that "first round selection" as some sort of proof that their child is more special or gifted than that child actually is. I can't imagine any other reason why anyone would argue that a child with a 140 IQ doesn't belong in AAP. They also seem to latch onto the notion of the infallibility of the committee, as if selection somehow proves that their child is more gifted than the actually gifted children who were rejected. It really is ridiculous.

There are a lot of really passionate responses on this thread, including your first post. There are posters who are furious with FCPS for not finding their not-in-pool-with-NNAT-or-Cogat-but-now-have-appealed-with-140-WISC kids eligible first round. The anger seems a bit premature to me.

But I think what they are actually angry about is not that their kid was not selected first round but that they have seen here (albeit, on an anonymous message board where anyone can say anything) that there were kids with 130+ WISC V FSIQ scores denied in the first round despite including the WISC in the original package. As such, they are contemplating what feels like a very real possibility of being denied despite gifted-range IQ. I agree that it is premature to be overly worried about it at this point, but if it is in fact true that FCPS is rejecting kids with gifted level IQs, short of actual evidence that specific psychologists are "selling" high IQ scores for the purposes of AAP selection, this is a big problem. And I say this as someone whose kid got in on the first round.

THIS! You are describing me. I have not yet posted in this thread but I am reading and it is infuriating. I am angry. I just don't post. I am angry my child was denied first found with a WISC of 132. I am angry I had to spend more money on a SB where my child scored 137 and I can't take any comfort in that because if they can reject her 132, why not her 137? I'm angry that people on here suggest because she was denied first round she doesn't belong in AAP. That makes no sense to tell someone when you have no idea who their child is or what their IQs are. The committee can make errors. To suggest my child doesn't belong simply because they were denied first round but that children who were admitted first round who don't know their IQs (so admittedly it could be high) but who got in with CogATs and NNAT lower than my child's IQ are somehow more deserving is inaccurate and maddening. We won't sue because we can't afford to but I would see nothing wrong with a family suing FCPS for denying their child with 1, but especially 2, IQ score(s) in the 98% who were denied.

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There are a lot of really passionate responses on this thread, including your first post. There are posters who are furious with FCPS for not finding their not-in-pool-with-NNAT-or-Cogat-but-now-have-appealed-with-140-WISC kids eligible first round. The anger seems a bit premature to me.

It really doesn't help that so many parents are snobby about appeals and act as if kids who aren't accepted first round clearly don't belong in AAP. I'm sure the discourse would be more productive if people expressed that clearly kids with high IQs belong in AAP, rather than trying to make those parents defensive.

Honestly, if my high IQ, well-above-grade-level in all subjects child had been rejected, I would certainly be looking into the situation. I doubt it would reach a "sue FCPS" level, but I would want answers and accountability for the clear mistake. I can't imagine that many parents would feel differently.

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AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

Quoted PP here:
I'm not going to sue FCPS, since both of my kids got into AAP and I have no sour grapes. I just recognize that most kids in AAP aren't really that smart or that special, and there's so much delusion on this board about being "selected first round." My older child is a bright (like 95th percentile intelligence), motivated kid, and she's very middle of the pack in AAP. I have no delusions that she deserves or needs AAP more than a child with a freaking 140 IQ!! It seems like many parents with bright, non-gifted, hardworking, overly enriched children are latching onto that "first round selection" as some sort of proof that their child is more special or gifted than that child actually is. I can't imagine any other reason why anyone would argue that a child with a 140 IQ doesn't belong in AAP. They also seem to latch onto the notion of the infallibility of the committee, as if selection somehow proves that their child is more gifted than the actually gifted children who were rejected. It really is ridiculous.

There are a lot of really passionate responses on this thread, including your first post. There are posters who are furious with FCPS for not finding their not-in-pool-with-NNAT-or-Cogat-but-now-have-appealed-with-140-WISC kids eligible first round. The anger seems a bit premature to me.

But I think what they are actually angry about is not that their kid was not selected first round but that they have seen here (albeit, on an anonymous message board where anyone can say anything) that there were kids with 130+ WISC V FSIQ scores denied in the first round despite including the WISC in the original package. As such, they are contemplating what feels like a very real possibility of being denied despite gifted-range IQ. I agree that it is premature to be overly worried about it at this point, but if it is in fact true that FCPS is rejecting kids with gifted level IQs, short of actual evidence that specific psychologists are "selling" high IQ scores for the purposes of AAP selection, this is a big problem. And I say this as someone whose kid got in on the first round.

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There are a lot of really passionate responses on this thread, including your first post. There are posters who are furious with FCPS for not finding their not-in-pool-with-NNAT-or-Cogat-but-now-have-appealed-with-140-WISC kids eligible first round. The anger seems a bit premature to me.

Unless they all were trolls, there were multiple posters who submitted gifted level WISCs in the first round, but still got rejected.

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AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

Quoted PP here:
I'm not going to sue FCPS, since both of my kids got into AAP and I have no sour grapes. I just recognize that most kids in AAP aren't really that smart or that special, and there's so much delusion on this board about being "selected first round." My older child is a bright (like 95th percentile intelligence), motivated kid, and she's very middle of the pack in AAP. I have no delusions that she deserves or needs AAP more than a child with a freaking 140 IQ!! It seems like many parents with bright, non-gifted, hardworking, overly enriched children are latching onto that "first round selection" as some sort of proof that their child is more special or gifted than that child actually is. I can't imagine any other reason why anyone would argue that a child with a 140 IQ doesn't belong in AAP. They also seem to latch onto the notion of the infallibility of the committee, as if selection somehow proves that their child is more gifted than the actually gifted children who were rejected. It really is ridiculous.

There are a lot of really passionate responses on this thread, including your first post. There are posters who are furious with FCPS for not finding their not-in-pool-with-NNAT-or-Cogat-but-now-have-appealed-with-140-WISC kids eligible first round. The anger seems a bit premature to me.

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AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

Quoted PP here:
I'm not going to sue FCPS, since both of my kids got into AAP and I have no sour grapes. I just recognize that most kids in AAP aren't really that smart or that special, and there's so much delusion on this board about being "selected first round." My older child is a bright (like 95th percentile intelligence), motivated kid, and she's very middle of the pack in AAP. I have no delusions that she deserves or needs AAP more than a child with a freaking 140 IQ!! It seems like many parents with bright, non-gifted, hardworking, overly enriched children are latching onto that "first round selection" as some sort of proof that their child is more special or gifted than that child actually is. I can't imagine any other reason why anyone would argue that a child with a 140 IQ doesn't belong in AAP. They also seem to latch onto the notion of the infallibility of the committee, as if selection somehow proves that their child is more gifted than the actually gifted children who were rejected. It really is ridiculous.

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Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.

DP. They need something, absolutely. But maybe not AAP. A different type of GT program might be more what those types of students need, and AAP might be no more help to them than what they've already had in K-2.

AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

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Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

This post says "Next step if appeal is denied"

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Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.

DP. They need something, absolutely. But maybe not AAP. A different type of GT program might be more what those types of students need, and AAP might be no more help to them than what they've already had in K-2.

AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

+1000

Are y'all getting ready to sue FCPS, even though you haven't even received your appeal results yet?

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Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.

DP. They need something, absolutely. But maybe not AAP. A different type of GT program might be more what those types of students need, and AAP might be no more help to them than what they've already had in K-2.

AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mediocre NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we thought will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

This isn't accurate. It's very common for high IQ kids to have mediocre NNAT and or CogAt. And most kids who get in first round don't get IQ tests so you have no idea what their IQs are.

Very accurate if child is 2E.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I will sue FCPS and drag my child through a nasty court battle. Nobody puts baby in a corner of a gen ed classroom. Besides, I need something to fill my time so I can feel competent as a parent.

This made me laugh. I most likely will request a retake of CogAT and reapply next year.

No. Do not. If child doesnt do well, You don’t want that on the record. Better to pay for cogat private testing.

Anonymous wrote:Are gifted private schools like Edwin and Nysmith just as good as AAP? I figure these schools will take a more holistic approach

Not really. I know a few kids who went to these schools prek-2 and did NOT get into AAP, so parents kept them in the private school. Parents were shocked since they thought their kid was in a “gifted” school. Turned out “gifted” was just a title to get $.

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Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.

DP. They need something, absolutely. But maybe not AAP. A different type of GT program might be more what those types of students need, and AAP might be no more help to them than what they've already had in K-2.

AAP is the system that FCPS uses to meet the State of Virginia's mandate for gifted education. If it's serving the overly-enriched, motivated, bright kids at the expense of gifted kids, that's a huge problem. When kids with 130 + IQ as measured by a licensed psychologist (i.e., kids who are gifted) are not being provided gifted education, then FCPS is failing to meet the state mandate for gifted education.

I agree with you that underachieving gifted kids need something different from AAP in its current form. FCPS is just required to provide that something, rather than tossing those kids into gen ed.

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IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mdeicore NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we though will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.

DP. They need something, absolutely. But maybe not AAP. A different type of GT program might be more what those types of students need, and AAP might be no more help to them than what they've already had in K-2.

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IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mdeicore NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we though will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

Um... It raises concern, but clearly not the type of concern you're imagining. Kids with high IQ who are underachieving in class are the ones most in need of gifted services. Their needs are already not being met in gen ed, and they're already falling through the cracks. The overwhelming majority of kids in AAP are bright, high-achievers with a fairly enriched home life (whether through high SES or very motivated parents). These children are the ones who would bloom wherever they're planted and don't strictly need AAP. Kids who are actually gifted but are either underachieving or disengaged with the classroom are the ones who NEED AAP.

The PP's kid with the 140 IQ needs AAP. The kids in your DC's class who were selected first round probably don't need AAP. FWIW, one of my kids is a non-gifted, bright, high-achiever in AAP. She benefits from AAP, but certainly doesn't "need" it. The notion that a kid with a 140 IQ doesn't need AAP or belong in AAP is clearly ridiculous.