Anonymous
04/06/2018 22:36
Subject: Re:Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Bottom line - the pelvic floor is poorly understood in our society and among our medical professionals. If you have any symptoms of pelvic floor weakness, much can be done via PT. But some things, like levator avulsion can't be fixed, and lead to a cascade of problems over the long haul.
+1, terrible injuries can occur in both vaginal and c-section births. I hope in the future we can better understand the risk factors and find advances in prevention and repair.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 22:26
Subject: Re:Body changes after baby
Bottom line - the pelvic floor is poorly understood in our society and among our medical professionals. If you have any symptoms of pelvic floor weakness, much can be done via PT. But some things, like levator avulsion can't be fixed, and lead to a cascade of problems over the long haul.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 22:23
Subject: Re:Body changes after baby
I have this. You don't want it. Vaginal delivery http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/nepean/research/obstetrics/pelvic-floor-assessment/Pelvic_Floor_Assessment/Levator_trauma.html
Anonymous
04/06/2018 21:37
Subject: Re:Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Your lucky husbands.
This is why most men keep a broodmare at home and seek real satisfaction on the side.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 20:07
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
This is completely wrong. Massive numbers of women who had only c-sections have pelvic floor weakness and incontinence. Pregnancy is very hard on the pelvic floor. Same with hemorrhoids. And if you think a vaginal delivery can leave a vagina "stretched out," you are stupid beyond words. Any "looseness" is the result of MUSCULAR weakness, which occurs often after any mode of delivery. Same with peeing when you sneeze. The only time a vaginal delivery causes more damage than a c-section in these areas is when there is an a traumatic delivery with a very long pushing stage, instrumental delivery, etc.
PP have already posted citations that show YOU are wrong when it comes to "which is worse," which is not to say that CS's prevent incontinence, only which is more likely to lead to incontinence and prolapse.
And by the way, your use of "the only time vaginal delivery is worse than CS" just shows how much of an ignorant blow hard you are. Because while statistics are just that - sometimes x happens, sometimes y happens, but over a large number of data sets this is the big picture pattern, NO study shows that sort of definitive statement you just pulled out of your butt.
Ignorant blowhard? LOL, okay.
Yes, statistics show that vaginal delivery is "more likely" to result in those outcomes because delivering vaginally is the only way to have a traumatic, and/or instrumental vaginal delivery. In cases of extended pushing, etc., a c-section should be performed to reduce risk of damage. Look, I've had c-sections myself and it sucks. I have pelvic floor damage from pregnancy. Bearing children is hard.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:35
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
This is completely wrong. Massive numbers of women who had only c-sections have pelvic floor weakness and incontinence. Pregnancy is very hard on the pelvic floor. Same with hemorrhoids. And if you think a vaginal delivery can leave a vagina "stretched out," you are stupid beyond words. Any "looseness" is the result of MUSCULAR weakness, which occurs often after any mode of delivery. Same with peeing when you sneeze. The only time a vaginal delivery causes more damage than a c-section in these areas is when there is an a traumatic delivery with a very long pushing stage, instrumental delivery, etc.
PP have already posted citations that show YOU are wrong when it comes to "which is worse," which is not to say that CS's prevent incontinence, only which is more likely to lead to incontinence and prolapse.
And by the way, your use of "the only time vaginal delivery is worse than CS" just shows how much of an ignorant blow hard you are. Because while statistics are just that - sometimes x happens, sometimes y happens, but over a large number of data sets this is the big picture pattern, NO study shows that sort of definitive statement you just pulled out of your butt.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:29
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
This is completely wrong. Massive numbers of women who had only c-sections have pelvic floor weakness and incontinence. Pregnancy is very hard on the pelvic floor. Same with hemorrhoids. And if you think a vaginal delivery can leave a vagina "stretched out," you are stupid beyond words. Any "looseness" is the result of MUSCULAR weakness, which occurs often after any mode of delivery. Same with peeing when you sneeze. The only time a vaginal delivery causes more damage than a c-section in these areas is when there is an a traumatic delivery with a very long pushing stage, instrumental delivery, etc.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:28
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Eh, c-sections cause injuries of their own, that are pretty common - scar tissue, mostly, leading to pelvic pain and often hysterectomy. Which can cause prolapse. Maybe just sucks to be a woman sometimes?
Agreed that it sucks to be a woman in this regard. Definitely not a competition in suffering.
I'm pretty biased though, since my third, very large baby and his massive head changed my life forever and I wish I had had a CS with him. The amount of stretching involved in birthing what is basically a large cantaloupe wasn't something I did without permanent and lasting injuries.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:19
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Eh, c-sections cause injuries of their own, that are pretty common - scar tissue, mostly, leading to pelvic pain and often hysterectomy. Which can cause prolapse. Maybe just sucks to be a woman sometimes?
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:18
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
Eh, c-sections cause injuries of their own, that are pretty common - scar tissue, mostly, leading to pelvic pain and often hysterectomy. Which can cause prolapse. Maybe just sucks to be a woman sometimes?
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:15
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Can you read?
What the hell is your problem? Take a Midol and chill.
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:04
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Can you read?
Anonymous
04/06/2018 19:00
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Absolutely NOT TRUE that this is "generally" the case. Vaginal delivery is the culprit. Massive trauma to the pelvic floor and levator ani in particular. But I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even medical providers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Eh, the pelvic floor PT I saw for a check up said that it's severe tearing, episiotomies, or instrumental delivery that increase risk for lasting pelvic floor damage following vaginal deliveries. I know that's still many women, but it's far from everyone. I'm another who didn't have C-sections and also has no lasting pelvic floor damage (or wider hips, or hemorrhoids). There's misinformation on both sides.
No one said "every" vaginal delivery causes massive trauma and damage. But in general delivery injuries during vaginal births causes these issues vs just carrying a baby and then having a CS. I mean, do you not see the difference in meaning in those two sentences?
Anonymous
04/06/2018 18:55
Subject: Body changes after baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:C sections are rough on your body
But do you have hemorrhoids? Stretched out vagina? Pee a bit when you sneeze?
...nope! Nope! And also no, but...sneezing when you pee is generally from pelvic floor weakness caused by pregnancy itself, not delivery. Will add that lots of people (including several friends I know who had c sections) get hemorrhoids DURING pregnancy, not from pushing (and the majority of people who push don't get hemorrhoids).
PP's hip-spreading theory is also wrong, that happens during pregnancy. It happens to some people, and not to others - genetics, mainly.
Try not to be so aggressive and defensive, it makes you sound like you're not at peace with your own decisions. Finally, for all we know PP's "c sections are rough on your body" was in response to the actual question asked
Yep, and sorry but vaginas get looser after pregnancy and with age no matter the mode of delivery. Not right away, necessarily, but aging affects us all...
Anonymous
04/06/2018 17:12
Subject: Re:Body changes after baby
I had one C-section. 4 VBACs. I weigh exactly the same at 50 that I did at 16. I'm 5'5 and 115 pounds. I easily lost weight after every pregnancy. BUT, my body certainly changed. My hips are bigger. My boobs got bigger and stayed bigger. I have stretch marks on my stomach and on breasts. Within the last couple of years, everything seems to be slowly migrating south. ? I'm active and fit, but time marches on. The only thing that would fix things is surgery, and there is no way I'm doing that.