Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:53
Subject: Re:United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible story and I feel for those who saw a dead puppy as they deplaned, owners included. I say this as someone who doesn't like dogs.
However, I can't help but think the current of culture of "I'll take my pet everywhere with me and invoke the law to sue you if you challenge me, be damned!" contributed to the flight attendant's thought process that resulted the dog's placement in the overhead bin. I imagine that air stewards are fed up with passengers who think the rules apply to everyone except them. I work in an industry that utilizes similar protocols as aviation (healthcare), and I can attest that visitors and patients toe the line between acceptable and non-acceptable use of animals in healthcare environments.
Pretty much anyone can claim their pet is a "support animal" nowadays, and depending on where and how they do it, they can get away with it without having to produce documentation or proof beyond the stupid vest they bought on Amazon or bogus certificate they procured on the internet.
The flight attendant made an error in judgment by asking the family to place the dog in the overhead compartment and is going to have to live with the professional and personal repercussions, even if they are needlessly severe and invasive. I'm interested in learning more about the circumstances led to that even happening.
Her incompetence and actions led directly to the death of an innocent animal. She has totally earned any professional repercussions that she gets. if she is found to have been deliberately cruel, she should face criminal charges, too.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:53
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:
Regardless, this story breaks my heart! No one checked on the dog in the overhead bin during the flight, despite its silence after barking the first half of the flight? I find that really odd - usually people are opening the bin during the flight for some reason or another. I'm really aghast that anyone thought this was ok.
My guess is since the mother was traveling with an infant on her lap, that the infant fell asleep in her lap for the flight so it was difficult to get up.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:53
Subject: Re:United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why any dog owner would allow some snot-nosed stewardess to cram their dog into an overhead bin. I would have grabbed her by the neck and slammed her into the floor if she tried that with my dog.
Because it's a violation of Federal law to disobey the orders of the crew. The mother probably assumed if the FA told her to do that, then the FA knew it was safe to do so. After all, the FA flies every day and would know if there is sufficient air in the overhead bin. The passenger does not know this.
Ok so charge me with a “violation.” No jury would convict.
I would.
Same.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:52
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't bring dogs on planes at all. Except for certified service animals.
The airline is at fault, but who in the heck flys with a baby, a small child AND a puppy? Stop doing this people. It's kinder to the animal and the rest of the passengers to leave it at home. If you can't afford to board the dog or have a dog sitter, you can't afford to fly and own a dog.
The family is just as at fault as the airline.
Dogs are no people.
Quit dragging them to places they do not belong, airplanes, school yards, little league ball fields, the grocery store, home depot, restaurants...
That poor flight attendant.
What? That flight attendant is awful and deserves to be fired.
She does not deserve to be killed for this and yet people on this thread are calling for her death.
Yes, the poor flight attendant. She made a mistake. Maybe she knew there was a dog in there. Maybe she didn't. People (including the owner) heard the dog barking and whining, yet not one person who heard it thought to check on it to see if it was okay? Not even the owner? Not once?
The flight attendant is going to get death threats and more from the online crazies based off only a partial recounting of what transpired on United with that dog.
Yes, the poor flight attendant.
Airline employees act like gestapo who will gave you arrested in a second if you cross them. That means that they don’t get to play the “oopsie I made a mistake you should have corrected me card.”
Airline employees act this way to avoid someone else hijacking a plane and flying it into an office building.
There is more to this story.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:52
Subject: Re:United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why any dog owner would allow some snot-nosed stewardess to cram their dog into an overhead bin. I would have grabbed her by the neck and slammed her into the floor if she tried that with my dog.
Because it's a violation of Federal law to disobey the orders of the crew. The mother probably assumed if the FA told her to do that, then the FA knew it was safe to do so. After all, the FA flies every day and would know if there is sufficient air in the overhead bin. The passenger does not know this.
Ok so charge me with a “violation.” No jury would convict.
I would.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:51
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
As someone with asthma and an awful cat allergy, I'm in the camp that pets should not be flying unless absolutely necessary...In no other contained public space would I have to be subjected to someone's pet, so it's especially upsetting when it's a contained space I PAID to be in.
Regardless, this story breaks my heart! No one checked on the dog in the overhead bin during the flight, despite its silence after barking the first half of the flight? I find that really odd - usually people are opening the bin during the flight for some reason or another. I'm really aghast that anyone thought this was ok.
Regardless, this story breaks my heart! No one checked on the dog in the overhead bin during the flight, despite its silence after barking the first half of the flight? I find that really odd - usually people are opening the bin during the flight for some reason or another. I'm really aghast that anyone thought this was ok.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:51
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
I don't understand why emotional support animals are being brought into *this* discussion. This was a paid pet ticket which is not the same as an ESA. The airline happy accepted her $200 to transport her pet.
If the airline can't cope with transporting pets or ESAs they should stop doing so. Genuine service animals only
If the airline can't cope with transporting pets or ESAs they should stop doing so. Genuine service animals only
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:50
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well the flight attendant should be fired. However, people really should not fly with brachycephalic dogs at all. Their shortened snouts cause all sorts of breathing problems and there’s a reason why many airlines don’t allow them to fly in cargo anymore. Flying in the cabin is safer but really, just leave them home.
If the family had been allowed to stow the carrier under a seat like they should have been able to do and as they had expected to do - this would not have been a problem.
The dog died because it was placed in a compartment with little air and the dog basically suffocated as would any other living thing creature. Poor puppy, I feel so bad for that family.
As I said, the flight attendant should be fired. That doesn't change the fact that, if you insist on owning one of these dogs and supporting the abomination that the breed standards have become, you should at least prioritize their health and not force them to fly with you. Brachycephalic dogs are already at greatly increased risk of respiratory issues, flying with them just makes that so much worse.
The flight attendant should be locked up for 10 years for animal cruelty, and shunned by society.
No.
She should not.
The owner is equally at fault her based of the limited information out at this time.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:49
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Stop bringing your dogs everywhere. I blame the owner, not the airline.
The airline advertises and sells a product of dogs under the seat in a Carrier for $125. Instead they charged her $125 to Jill her dog. All of the United executives and this stewardess should be forced to ride in the cargo hold from now on.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:48
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well the flight attendant should be fired. However, people really should not fly with brachycephalic dogs at all. Their shortened snouts cause all sorts of breathing problems and there’s a reason why many airlines don’t allow them to fly in cargo anymore. Flying in the cabin is safer but really, just leave them home.
If the family had been allowed to stow the carrier under a seat like they should have been able to do and as they had expected to do - this would not have been a problem.
The dog died because it was placed in a compartment with little air and the dog basically suffocated as would any other living thing creature. Poor puppy, I feel so bad for that family.
As I said, the flight attendant should be fired. That doesn't change the fact that, if you insist on owning one of these dogs and supporting the abomination that the breed standards have become, you should at least prioritize their health and not force them to fly with you. Brachycephalic dogs are already at greatly increased risk of respiratory issues, flying with them just makes that so much worse.
The flight attendant should be locked up for 10 years for animal cruelty, and shunned by society.
eh, she was probably more incompetent and ignorant of procedures than she was purposefully cruel. It was a mistake. But she isn't helping her case any by claiming that she "didn't know" that a dog was inside the carrier. Of course she knew.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:48
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eh – it’s a dog, whatever. Maybe stop bringing your effing “emotional support” animals everywhere.
I work at UMD and have a student who served YOU in Afghanistan, went through horrors, came back with a Purple Heart and a therapy dog who goes to class with him, and everywhere else.
Did you know therapy cats comfort the elderly in nursing homes, and patients in chemotherapy lounges?
Educate yourself.
A 9 month puppy is a certified therapy dog? LOLwut?
There is no such thing as a "therapy" dog. A "therapy" dog is a pet. That's it. That's all it means. That's fine it it brings people comfort, but it bears no certification or rights. Especially a 9 month old puppy that had no training. A puppy is definitely not going to be a trained service animal.
Sorry, leave your pets at home. If you care about your animal at all, you know that it's not good for them to bring them places. And quit anthropomorphisizing your pets with "but he likes it!!" Bull. It's about your selfishness, not about caring about the animal. You don't need to bring your doggy on vacay.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:48
Subject: Re:United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why any dog owner would allow some snot-nosed stewardess to cram their dog into an overhead bin. I would have grabbed her by the neck and slammed her into the floor if she tried that with my dog.
Because it's a violation of Federal law to disobey the orders of the crew. The mother probably assumed if the FA told her to do that, then the FA knew it was safe to do so. After all, the FA flies every day and would know if there is sufficient air in the overhead bin. The passenger does not know this.
Ok so charge me with a “violation.” No jury would convict.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:46
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't bring dogs on planes at all. Except for certified service animals.
The airline is at fault, but who in the heck flys with a baby, a small child AND a puppy? Stop doing this people. It's kinder to the animal and the rest of the passengers to leave it at home. If you can't afford to board the dog or have a dog sitter, you can't afford to fly and own a dog.
The family is just as at fault as the airline.
Dogs are no people.
Quit dragging them to places they do not belong, airplanes, school yards, little league ball fields, the grocery store, home depot, restaurants...
That poor flight attendant.
What? That flight attendant is awful and deserves to be fired.
She does not deserve to be killed for this and yet people on this thread are calling for her death.
Yes, the poor flight attendant. She made a mistake. Maybe she knew there was a dog in there. Maybe she didn't. People (including the owner) heard the dog barking and whining, yet not one person who heard it thought to check on it to see if it was okay? Not even the owner? Not once?
The flight attendant is going to get death threats and more from the online crazies based off only a partial recounting of what transpired on United with that dog.
Yes, the poor flight attendant.
Airline employees act like gestapo who will gave you arrested in a second if you cross them. That means that they don’t get to play the “oopsie I made a mistake you should have corrected me card.”
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:46
Subject: Re:United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
This is a terrible story and I feel for those who saw a dead puppy as they deplaned, owners included. I say this as someone who doesn't like dogs.
However, I can't help but think the current of culture of "I'll take my pet everywhere with me and invoke the law to sue you if you challenge me, be damned!" contributed to the flight attendant's thought process that resulted the dog's placement in the overhead bin. I imagine that air stewards are fed up with passengers who think the rules apply to everyone except them. I work in an industry that utilizes similar protocols as aviation (healthcare), and I can attest that visitors and patients toe the line between acceptable and non-acceptable use of animals in healthcare environments.
Pretty much anyone can claim their pet is a "support animal" nowadays, and depending on where and how they do it, they can get away with it without having to produce documentation or proof beyond the stupid vest they bought on Amazon or bogus certificate they procured on the internet.
The flight attendant made an error in judgment by asking the family to place the dog in the overhead compartment and is going to have to live with the professional and personal repercussions, even if they are needlessly severe and invasive. I'm interested in learning more about the circumstances led to that even happening.
However, I can't help but think the current of culture of "I'll take my pet everywhere with me and invoke the law to sue you if you challenge me, be damned!" contributed to the flight attendant's thought process that resulted the dog's placement in the overhead bin. I imagine that air stewards are fed up with passengers who think the rules apply to everyone except them. I work in an industry that utilizes similar protocols as aviation (healthcare), and I can attest that visitors and patients toe the line between acceptable and non-acceptable use of animals in healthcare environments.
Pretty much anyone can claim their pet is a "support animal" nowadays, and depending on where and how they do it, they can get away with it without having to produce documentation or proof beyond the stupid vest they bought on Amazon or bogus certificate they procured on the internet.
The flight attendant made an error in judgment by asking the family to place the dog in the overhead compartment and is going to have to live with the professional and personal repercussions, even if they are needlessly severe and invasive. I'm interested in learning more about the circumstances led to that even happening.
Anonymous
03/14/2018 08:45
Subject: United forces woman to put puppy in overhead bid, where it dies during flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't bring dogs on planes at all. Except for certified service animals.
The airline is at fault, but who in the heck flys with a baby, a small child AND a puppy? Stop doing this people. It's kinder to the animal and the rest of the passengers to leave it at home. If you can't afford to board the dog or have a dog sitter, you can't afford to fly and own a dog.
The family is just as at fault as the airline.
Dogs are no people.
Quit dragging them to places they do not belong, airplanes, school yards, little league ball fields, the grocery store, home depot, restaurants...
That poor flight attendant.
What? That flight attendant is awful and deserves to be fired.
She does not deserve to be killed for this and yet people on this thread are calling for her death.
Yes, the poor flight attendant. She made a mistake. Maybe she knew there was a dog in there. Maybe she didn't. People (including the owner) heard the dog barking and whining, yet not one person who heard it thought to check on it to see if it was okay? Not even the owner? Not once?
The flight attendant is going to get death threats and more from the online crazies based off only a partial recounting of what transpired on United with that dog.
Yes, the poor flight attendant.
The poor flight attendant appears to be a liar. Passengers do not bring empty pet carriers on board a plane with them anymore than they would bring something useless like a crab pot as their one carry on item. Also, empty pet carriers do not bark and whine in distress. Everyone else on board that plane new that there was a dog in that carrier, why wouldn't the flight attendant?
It's bad enough that this happened but to then lie about it? Not good.