Anonymous wrote:Hourglass figure is genetic.
I have seen some amazing results achieved by wearing a corset (for years, day and night), but it is too extreme.
Going after flat stomach (6 pack) will add an inch to your waist, because muscles on the side of the waist will also be working hard and increase in size.
The only answer is lipo (which can end in horrible consequences during and/or after surgery) or something like a ''waist trainer'' or similar garment worn under the clothing (pretty tortures I tell you). Or flattering clothing and well picked bathing suit. Good luck)))

Thanks I don't think the 6 pack is achievable for me without a concomitant excessive loss of fat on my face and breasts .. well picked bathing suit it is

Anonymous wrote:I work with a lot of dancers. They are in their teens and many of them dance around 20 hours per week.

The average waist for these girls who are young and exceptionally active is between 27 to 29 inches for dancers of your height.

A 25 inch waist would be the waist size of the 4th/5th grade girls, along with a couple of junior high girls who hit a lanky growth spurt but who have not yet gotten puberty curves.

The only teenagers with waists this small (and I am talking about active dancers) are the ones with health conditions or the ones who are naturally very skinny.

You have an eating disorder.

Yes. All of this, above.

Hourglass figure is genetic.
I have seen some amazing results achieved by wearing a corset (for years, day and night), but it is too extreme.
Going after flat stomach (6 pack) will add an inch to your waist, because muscles on the side of the waist will also be working hard and increase in size.
The only answer is lipo (which can end in horrible consequences during and/or after surgery) or something like a ''waist trainer'' or similar garment worn under the clothing (pretty tortures I tell you). Or flattering clothing and well picked bathing suit. Good luck)))

I work with a lot of dancers. They are in their teens and many of them dance around 20 hours per week.

The average waist for these girls who are young and exceptionally active is between 27 to 29 inches for dancers of your height.

A 25 inch waist would be the waist size of the 4th/5th grade girls, along with a couple of junior high girls who hit a lanky growth spurt but who have not yet gotten puberty curves.

The only teenagers with waists this small (and I am talking about active dancers) are the ones with health conditions or the ones who are naturally very skinny.

You have an eating disorder.

Anonymous wrote:"Alicia Vikander looks like your typical ballerina/model with probably a coke or cigarette habit, or worse anorexia. " not every person who is naturally super thin is unhealthy

I don't think most of these very thin actors, models, ballerinas are healthy.

I say this as a very thin person who is healthy. (I eat a paleo keto diet most of the time, I lift heavy, and I hike a lot)

And for the record, Alicia Vikander DOES smoke: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3164578/Alicia-Vikander-Eliot-Sumner-share-giggle-enjoy-smoking-break-Ischia.html

Ballerinas might not full fledged anorexia; a lot of them have eating disorders.

And if you think it's the rare model or starlet that does coke or smokes, then you're incredibly naive.

Ignore the therapy BS OP, I get what you mean. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to look your best and it sounds like you have a strong aesthetic sense and enjoy beauty. So, this is important to your happiness and valid.

You mention apple shape and pcos - both of which suggest some degree of insulin resistance. If I were you, before going ahead with the lipo, I would take a month or so and give a diet a try that keeps your insulin levels as stable and as low as possible. Something like old school Atkins induction phase or a ketogenic diet. Not very fun but probably worth it if the results are good. With lower insulin levels, your body may redistribute some of the fat and you will definitely look less bloated. If that isn’t enough, I wouldn’t feel an ounce of guilt for seeing a plastic surgeon.

"Alicia Vikander looks like your typical ballerina/model with probably a coke or cigarette habit, or worse anorexia. " not every person who is naturally super thin is unhealthy

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously?

Lift weights.

Eat healthy. You might not be eating enough food.

I eat very healthy, I am not skin and bones at all. I just have a very narrow frame. I also lift weights but as I said I don't build up easily. At one point I had very well defined arms (but they get toned not bulky), I stopped for 2 weeks as I was traveling, my muscles melted so fast it was scary...

I also have pretty strong abs considering how super soft my stomach looks. I always focused on abs, I can easily do a 3 min plank for example. But I have never had the slightest hint of muscle definition on my belly...

A 3 minute plank isn't impressive. Over 5 minutes is respectable. 10 minutes is impressive.

If you start lifting heavy and you train to the point where you can deadlift over 2x your body weight, the skinny fatness will go away. You will have muscle definition everywhere and a flat belly. Assuming you eat healthy.

OP here: was your goal to reach a particularly low body fat overall? I realize with my questions and everybody's reply that I am probably looking for something impossible. I like to be a bit more toned but I am not looking to get rid of the level of softeness I have on the other parts of my body, it works for me. I can see that it is not possible

My goal with lifting wasn't losing weight. I wanted to be healthy. But I was similar to you, I had a pooch at weights over 125 lbs, and I was 5'5". I started lifting heavy, and I stayed the same weight. My friends swore I lost 20 lbs though. (I was keeping track of body fat, and it definitely decreased over time; I looked awesome at around 21-22% body fat).

As I said, eat healthy. Eat enough to nourish your body and grow muscles.

Lift heavy at least 2x a week, maybe even 3. Hike some. Yoga. Metcons. You will end up with the look you're looking for.

ps I have no clue what you're saying. You want to be "toned" but not soft. that makes zero sense. If you're toned, you're well muscled. And muscles are hard. Fat is soft.

If you want to be soft but have a flat belly, then what you're asking for is to be skin and bones. That's not healthy and can only be achieved by anorexia/lipo/surgery. If that's really your goal, you need to see a therapist.

Op here : Can you all stop with the therapist insult? I really appreciated your previous post. But this additional line was unnecessary. I am perfectly fine and I am not anorexic,. You don't have to understand what a good looking body is to me, just maybe keep an open mind. monica Belluci is very soft with a small waist for example, that's very pretty, Alicia vikander is very toned with a super slender body and not much of a waist definition. Those are 2 examples of beautiful bodies that are very different. I feel very womanly with breasts and a certain softness, but my belly annoys me, something you call skinny fat. I feel very elegant and energetic when I am at my most athletic and toned, but I don't like the empty saggy breasts that I get.

The conclusion I get is that there is no perfect middle ground. With my body type I need to choose between my breasts and a nice stomach. And no i won't go for plastic surgery ( not that I think people who do are making a bad choice, I just don't have enough of an issue with my body to spend the time, money and accept the risk)

I didn't say you were anorexic. I said what you are asking for requires unhealthy methods like anorexia or surgery. And if you really wanted that to the point of employing those tactics, you should see a therapist.

As for Alicia Vikander or Monica Bellucci. Yes, they're gorgeous, but what you see is achieved by a combination of expensive training, diets, airbrushing, probably surgery, probably cocaine or cigarettes, etc.

Monica looks like she wears a lot of nice clothes with corsets and they are flattering to her.

Alicia Vikander looks like your typical ballerina/model with probably a coke or cigarette habit, or worse anorexia. She did gain 12 lbs of muscle to play Lara Croft and looks absolutely amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an apple shape too so I get it.

+1

I get it OP. I’m petite and thin everywhere except my stomach looks perpetually pregnant. The only way I get it less rounded is to loose too much weight. Then, I have a normal looking stomach but a sickly looking skinny rest of my body.

I’ve had to just learn to dress for my body type, which unfortunately means loose tops that can sometimes overwhelm my petite frame.

Maybe you and OP can see the same mental health professional.

+1. And stop saying “petite”! Small or short are perfectly fine, unpretentious words.

Now that I look back at this thread I think there is one very angry person lurking around... is this a personal trigger or are you as aggressive on a lot of different topics ?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that you're picking apart your body the way you are is why people are suggesting therapy . . .no waist, no hips, big head, belly, empty saggy breasts.

And it's not an insult to recommend therapy. Many people could benefit from therapy.

And the actresses or models you named. First, they have trainers, dieticians, hairstylists, and people that dress them to flatter their bodies. The pics that are posted online are often airbrushed. A lot of times people will diet down for specific events and photo shoots. Many actresses and models have had work done. And yes, some people are genetically gifted to look a certain way. Most of us are nto.
And finally, their entire job is to look good, meaning they spend a good amount of their day making sure they are working towards that.

Comparing yourself to those women is not doing you any good.

Aaargh you people are too serious... forget it, i should have posted in the beauty forum. Can I go eat protein and kale and throw some kettle bells with your approval now ? (promise I won't look at myself in the mirror while doing so)

Anonymous wrote:The fact that you're picking apart your body the way you are is why people are suggesting therapy . . .no waist, no hips, big head, belly, empty saggy breasts.

And it's not an insult to recommend therapy. Many people could benefit from therapy.

And the actresses or models you named. First, they have trainers, dieticians, hairstylists, and people that dress them to flatter their bodies. The pics that are posted online are often airbrushed. A lot of times people will diet down for specific events and photo shoots. Many actresses and models have had work done. And yes, some people are genetically gifted to look a certain way. Most of us are nto.
And finally, their entire job is to look good, meaning they spend a good amount of their day making sure they are working towards that.

Comparing yourself to those women is not doing you any good.

The fact that you're picking apart your body the way you are is why people are suggesting therapy . . .no waist, no hips, big head, belly, empty saggy breasts.

And it's not an insult to recommend therapy. Many people could benefit from therapy.

And the actresses or models you named. First, they have trainers, dieticians, hairstylists, and people that dress them to flatter their bodies. The pics that are posted online are often airbrushed. A lot of times people will diet down for specific events and photo shoots. Many actresses and models have had work done. And yes, some people are genetically gifted to look a certain way. Most of us are nto.
And finally, their entire job is to look good, meaning they spend a good amount of their day making sure they are working towards that.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously?

Lift weights.

Eat healthy. You might not be eating enough food.

I eat very healthy, I am not skin and bones at all. I just have a very narrow frame. I also lift weights but as I said I don't build up easily. At one point I had very well defined arms (but they get toned not bulky), I stopped for 2 weeks as I was traveling, my muscles melted so fast it was scary...

I also have pretty strong abs considering how super soft my stomach looks. I always focused on abs, I can easily do a 3 min plank for example. But I have never had the slightest hint of muscle definition on my belly...

A 3 minute plank isn't impressive. Over 5 minutes is respectable. 10 minutes is impressive.

If you start lifting heavy and you train to the point where you can deadlift over 2x your body weight, the skinny fatness will go away. You will have muscle definition everywhere and a flat belly. Assuming you eat healthy.

OP here: was your goal to reach a particularly low body fat overall? I realize with my questions and everybody's reply that I am probably looking for something impossible. I like to be a bit more toned but I am not looking to get rid of the level of softeness I have on the other parts of my body, it works for me. I can see that it is not possible

My goal with lifting wasn't losing weight. I wanted to be healthy. But I was similar to you, I had a pooch at weights over 125 lbs, and I was 5'5". I started lifting heavy, and I stayed the same weight. My friends swore I lost 20 lbs though. (I was keeping track of body fat, and it definitely decreased over time; I looked awesome at around 21-22% body fat).

As I said, eat healthy. Eat enough to nourish your body and grow muscles.

Lift heavy at least 2x a week, maybe even 3. Hike some. Yoga. Metcons. You will end up with the look you're looking for.

ps I have no clue what you're saying. You want to be "toned" but not soft. that makes zero sense. If you're toned, you're well muscled. And muscles are hard. Fat is soft.

If you want to be soft but have a flat belly, then what you're asking for is to be skin and bones. That's not healthy and can only be achieved by anorexia/lipo/surgery. If that's really your goal, you need to see a therapist.

Many of us have tried to give OP advice, but I think it's pointless and a waste of our time. The only advice she seemed interested in was lipo, everything else had a con attached to it.

OP here: I find you seriously annoying and aggressive. The other PP who is explaining about weight lifting is giving me sound advice, even as she explains that she doesn't understand what I want at least she stays polite.

And I find you delusional. Get help for your issues.

I don't have issues, I asked a simple question : did someone manage to get a smaller waist. Now go lift weights it may calm you down

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously?

Lift weights.

Eat healthy. You might not be eating enough food.

I eat very healthy, I am not skin and bones at all. I just have a very narrow frame. I also lift weights but as I said I don't build up easily. At one point I had very well defined arms (but they get toned not bulky), I stopped for 2 weeks as I was traveling, my muscles melted so fast it was scary...

I also have pretty strong abs considering how super soft my stomach looks. I always focused on abs, I can easily do a 3 min plank for example. But I have never had the slightest hint of muscle definition on my belly...

A 3 minute plank isn't impressive. Over 5 minutes is respectable. 10 minutes is impressive.

If you start lifting heavy and you train to the point where you can deadlift over 2x your body weight, the skinny fatness will go away. You will have muscle definition everywhere and a flat belly. Assuming you eat healthy.

OP here: was your goal to reach a particularly low body fat overall? I realize with my questions and everybody's reply that I am probably looking for something impossible. I like to be a bit more toned but I am not looking to get rid of the level of softeness I have on the other parts of my body, it works for me. I can see that it is not possible

My goal with lifting wasn't losing weight. I wanted to be healthy. But I was similar to you, I had a pooch at weights over 125 lbs, and I was 5'5". I started lifting heavy, and I stayed the same weight. My friends swore I lost 20 lbs though. (I was keeping track of body fat, and it definitely decreased over time; I looked awesome at around 21-22% body fat).

As I said, eat healthy. Eat enough to nourish your body and grow muscles.

Lift heavy at least 2x a week, maybe even 3. Hike some. Yoga. Metcons. You will end up with the look you're looking for.

ps I have no clue what you're saying. You want to be "toned" but not soft. that makes zero sense. If you're toned, you're well muscled. And muscles are hard. Fat is soft.

If you want to be soft but have a flat belly, then what you're asking for is to be skin and bones. That's not healthy and can only be achieved by anorexia/lipo/surgery. If that's really your goal, you need to see a therapist.

Op here : Can you all stop with the therapist insult? I really appreciated your previous post. But this additional line was unnecessary. I am perfectly fine and I am not anorexic,. You don't have to understand what a good looking body is to me, just maybe keep an open mind. monica Belluci is very soft with a small waist for example, that's very pretty, Alicia vikander is very toned with a super slender body and not much of a waist definition. Those are 2 examples of beautiful bodies that are very different. I feel very womanly with breasts and a certain softness, but my belly annoys me, something you call skinny fat. I feel very elegant and energetic when I am at my most athletic and toned, but I don't like the empty saggy breasts that I get.

The conclusion I get is that there is no perfect middle ground. With my body type I need to choose between my breasts and a nice stomach. And no i won't go for plastic surgery ( not that I think people who do are making a bad choice, I just don't have enough of an issue with my body to spend the time, money and accept the risk)

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously?

Lift weights.

Eat healthy. You might not be eating enough food.

I eat very healthy, I am not skin and bones at all. I just have a very narrow frame. I also lift weights but as I said I don't build up easily. At one point I had very well defined arms (but they get toned not bulky), I stopped for 2 weeks as I was traveling, my muscles melted so fast it was scary...

I also have pretty strong abs considering how super soft my stomach looks. I always focused on abs, I can easily do a 3 min plank for example. But I have never had the slightest hint of muscle definition on my belly...

A 3 minute plank isn't impressive. Over 5 minutes is respectable. 10 minutes is impressive.

If you start lifting heavy and you train to the point where you can deadlift over 2x your body weight, the skinny fatness will go away. You will have muscle definition everywhere and a flat belly. Assuming you eat healthy.

OP here: was your goal to reach a particularly low body fat overall? I realize with my questions and everybody's reply that I am probably looking for something impossible. I like to be a bit more toned but I am not looking to get rid of the level of softeness I have on the other parts of my body, it works for me. I can see that it is not possible

My goal with lifting wasn't losing weight. I wanted to be healthy. But I was similar to you, I had a pooch at weights over 125 lbs, and I was 5'5". I started lifting heavy, and I stayed the same weight. My friends swore I lost 20 lbs though. (I was keeping track of body fat, and it definitely decreased over time; I looked awesome at around 21-22% body fat).

As I said, eat healthy. Eat enough to nourish your body and grow muscles.

Lift heavy at least 2x a week, maybe even 3. Hike some. Yoga. Metcons. You will end up with the look you're looking for.

ps I have no clue what you're saying. You want to be "toned" but not soft. that makes zero sense. If you're toned, you're well muscled. And muscles are hard. Fat is soft.

If you want to be soft but have a flat belly, then what you're asking for is to be skin and bones. That's not healthy and can only be achieved by anorexia/lipo/surgery. If that's really your goal, you need to see a therapist.

Many of us have tried to give OP advice, but I think it's pointless and a waste of our time. The only advice she seemed interested in was lipo, everything else had a con attached to it.

OP here: I find you seriously annoying and aggressive. The other PP who is explaining about weight lifting is giving me sound advice, even as she explains that she doesn't understand what I want at least she stays polite.

And I find you delusional. Get help for your issues.