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Affirmative action is bad when it negatively affects me. So my son is a male who wants to major in STEM, but I hear certain top technology schools are more partial to women who want to major in STEM.

But I get it. There have been studies that show that girls historically have been pushed toward gender-confirming roles and play, and there were not always lot of role models where they could see themselves in these high tech roles. Also, do I really want my son to attend a school with majority boys because they score stronger on math as a whole( or do I want him surrounded by a mixture of men/women? It probably died to matter for school, but I see him graduating with all these smart men and when he gets his first job now he l

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

Most of the Indians come to be able to work after college.

Most of the Chinese come to get a green card while at college. Here's how it works. Their papa and mama invest $500K in a company approved by the Immigration folks for this plan in their names. While this company is building out its business (hospital, hotel, etc), the kids go to college. They already have their green cards. Once done, they get a job and keep going. The company? Who cares. Mr. Kushner is into this shit big-time. So are a ton of other Real Estate moguls.

Sounds like a great program, I hope we get more immigrants able and willing to pay $500k.

10 million undocumented inmigrants x $500k each = 5 TRILLION dollars.

Enough to pay half our national debt or double our federal education budget for the next 50 years.

It's been 500K forever. It should be $2m at least now. Tiny European countries are charging more than that.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

Most of the Indians come to be able to work after college.

Most of the Chinese come to get a green card while at college. Here's how it works. Their papa and mama invest $500K in a company approved by the Immigration folks for this plan in their names. While this company is building out its business (hospital, hotel, etc), the kids go to college. They already have their green cards. Once done, they get a job and keep going. The company? Who cares. Mr. Kushner is into this shit big-time. So are a ton of other Real Estate moguls.

Sounds like a great program, I hope we get more immigrants able and willing to pay $500k.

10 million undocumented inmigrants x $500k each = 5 TRILLION dollars.

Enough to pay half our national debt or double our federal education budget for the next 50 years.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

Most of the Indians come to be able to work after college.

Most of the Chinese come to get a green card while at college. Here's how it works. Their papa and mama invest $500K in a company approved by the Immigration folks for this plan in their names. While this company is building out its business (hospital, hotel, etc), the kids go to college. They already have their green cards. Once done, they get a job and keep going. The company? Who cares. Mr. Kushner is into this shit big-time. So are a ton of other Real Estate moguls.

Anonymous wrote:Stop bringing this up on DCUM, you look foolish. Your kid didn't get into the school you wanted and now you want to play the race card. Millions of white, black and brown kids didn't get into their top schools either. It's not the end of the world. If your kid is so special, they will succeed no matter what school they attend.

but it's not just colleges. most corporations, entertainment, media etc endorse affirmative action in hiring. even sports, which are as meritocratic as something can possibly be, are increasingly driven by it.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

a minuscule number of asians study in the US. but you are correct that more would like to and the main reason is that it's easy and prestigious. why go through a very competitive grind at beijing university when you can (if you can - admissions are very competitive) get a seemingly prestigious US diploma for a fraction of the work. the incentives that students, parents and countries face are not the same when it comes to colleges.

Stop bringing this up on DCUM, you look foolish. Your kid didn't get into the school you wanted and now you want to play the race card. Millions of white, black and brown kids didn't get into their top schools either. It's not the end of the world. If your kid is so special, they will succeed no matter what school they attend.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

You don't understand statistics, do you?

I get it. I just think it's absurd that international students want to come here, then they complain about the way our system works (that it's not entirely based on scores). I realize some of the people on here are Americans of Asian descent and that's not who I am referring to. I've met many non-American Asians who are here and complain that the system isn't the same as what they are used to. Ok. Well, so don't apply. I wouldn't expect a university in Europe or Asia to use a wholistic approach.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Okay, fair enough. So, then, why bother applying to schools here at all, since even the so-called top ones aren't all that great compared to schools in other countries? Why not seek out the best education, which appears to be found outside the US.

It might seem that I'm being somewhat obtuse here, but I really wonder why people even care about admissions policies of top schools here since I regularly read that equivalent schools in other countries are so much better.

Because it is manifestly unfair to have to consider leaving your own country for a university degree because the system is rigged against you.

I can explain it slower if you'd like me to.

PS: I want to see you argue that we should abolish affirmative action because, well, blacks could simply go to study in some top African university (they exist) -- cheaper and better.

I agree no one should have to leave their own country, except why is it such a great idea when people suggest European countries, but not when they suggest Asian countries? Are we biased against Asian countries?

Oh Lord the random crazy American dude just showed up to ask the rest of the world what's going on.

Hint: just read previous posts.

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

You don't understand statistics, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Okay, fair enough. So, then, why bother applying to schools here at all, since even the so-called top ones aren't all that great compared to schools in other countries? Why not seek out the best education, which appears to be found outside the US.

It might seem that I'm being somewhat obtuse here, but I really wonder why people even care about admissions policies of top schools here since I regularly read that equivalent schools in other countries are so much better.

Because it is manifestly unfair to have to consider leaving your own country for a university degree because the system is rigged against you.

I can explain it slower if you'd like me to.

PS: I want to see you argue that we should abolish affirmative action because, well, blacks could simply go to study in some top African university (they exist) -- cheaper and better.

I agree no one should have to leave their own country, except why is it such a great idea when people suggest European countries, but not when they suggest Asian countries? Are we biased against Asian countries?

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Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

In four pages, no one has suggested this, so I'm thinking there must be a reason, but you ask in the title for states or countries, so why not a country in Asia? They wouldn't discriminate against Asian American kids, would they?

And it could be a good opportunity for the young person who grew up here to experience their heritage culture. I've heard of a number of my child's friends going to college in the British Isles or Europe partly to learn more about the country from which their family immigrated.

Perhaps no one has suggested it because it would be similar to telling an AA to go back to Africa.

Asian Americans have been in this country for centuries and, even if I fully agree with the spirit of cultural growth/ reconnection, it's not as easy as you think it is.

For the average Asian American, Canada, Europe, Australia, are probably easier and better options.

Perhaps add Singapore to the list?

How is it different from a kid of say, French or German or Italian ancestry going to college in one of those countries?

not PP but idea is that Asian Americans are Americans and Americans will fit easier in Europe. All of them will probably needs to study in English at least in the begginong.

That's a factor, but not the main one. Good universities in Europe attract students from many countries, both within the EU and outside, so it's easier to blend in even if you weren't raised locally. No one in Italy would consider De Blasio to be "Italian" American, but that wouldn't matter much anyway.

In contrast, good universities in Asia tend to attract much more homogenous student bodies, so any foreigner (asian American or not) would be seen an a Martian.

Why is that? And why can't there be demands for change, just as so many colleges in other countries have responded and changed to accept students from many other countries?

And why does it even matter if a kid is seen as different? Isn't the point of college to widen one's view of the world and one's place in it?

I would think that it would make sense for students of Asian American heritage that are interested in college in a different country to at least consider schools in Asian countries in the same way a student with German or Italian immigrant ancestry might seek out a college experience in one of those countries. Maybe we should all widen our scopes when making college lists and not focus on a small list of schools in the US, which aren't all that much better than schools in other parts of the world anyway.

No, it isn't. That is a distinctly American conception of college which is not true in Europe and even less true in Asia.

The point of college in the eyes of most people in the world is to learn job-relevant skills, such those needed for engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers and a handful of other professions. (In fact, in many countries our professional degrees - e.g. jd, md etc are conferred at the college level). The point is not to explore various fields, question everything, develop passion, "widen one's view of the world" as you put it etc etc. That's a very American approach.

Most Americans think that is the right approach. Regardless, you are not going to see it in China, especially as they overtaking the US in many fields. They think Americans are spoiled and clueless and they won't be copying American approach to colleges any time soon.

Interesting since so many Asian international students want to come to the US.

PP above has an interesting point about colleges needing students who major in different subjects.
Asians mostly tend to go into Premed or Engineering/STEM. They usually avoid majoring in the humanities maybe because of parental pressure.
Schools with a majority of Asians will not have a uniform distribution of students across all subjects.

Anonymous wrote:So title says it all - which colleges practice "race-blind" admissions? Which are best for asian americans or smart but unhooked kids of any race to apply to?

I don't have a link, but I did see a study that showed that it's not so much that colleges are looking at race, as that they also need students to major in all the departments at the school. So, it is possible to find a different distribution of kids who want to major in STEM as opposed to more liberal artsy type majors. Harvard has tenured professors in all of its departments, so it needs to accept students who are likely to choose a variety of majors to keep all those professors earning their pay.

I don't think Harvard asks applicants what major they are interested in, but at schools that do require students to choose in advance, they found that there were different distributions of personal characteristics of students choosing different majors. Kids who chose majors that fewer kids like them were applying for had a better chance of success in relation to number of like applicants than kids who chose a major in which they shared personal characteristics with most of the other applicants.

For example, a higher percentage of males get accepted at many small liberal arts schools compared to the number of male applicants than females compared to female applicants. At some schools there are more spaces available in the history or poli sci departments than in the engineering departments.