Anonymous wrote:''Why on earth does the GOP have a hard-on for a Wall?''

That's why

''57.9% of Illegals Caught at U.S.-Mexico Border in FY17 Not Mexican; From 111 Other Countries''

''A significant majority—57.9 percent—came from 111 other countries.

In fact, during fiscal year 2017, the Border Patrol apprehended deportable aliens along the U.S.-Mexico border who came from 84 countries that are not in the Americas.''

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/579-illegals-caught-southwest-border-fy17-not-mexicans

Where these people are from and with what intentions are they crossing the border?

Got a legitimate source for this?

''Why on earth does the GOP have a hard-on for a Wall?''

That's why

''57.9% of Illegals Caught at U.S.-Mexico Border in FY17 Not Mexican; From 111 Other Countries''

''A significant majority—57.9 percent—came from 111 other countries.

In fact, during fiscal year 2017, the Border Patrol apprehended deportable aliens along the U.S.-Mexico border who came from 84 countries that are not in the Americas.''

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/579-illegals-caught-southwest-border-fy17-not-mexicans

Where these people are from and with what intentions are they crossing the border?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, sorry.

Reagan agreed to amnesty with tightening up avenues of illegal immigration. The amnesty happened. Enforcement didn't. Why should anyone believe there will be enforcement in the future without there being teeth to it?

We've already had the amnesty. It happened 30 years ago. It's time for the enforcement. All amnesty did under Reagan was cause more people to come here illegally, taking a chance they'd get to stay. Cutting them a break will lead to more illegal aliens. Enforcement should happen quickly.

And that's the problem - Dems agree but won't come through. First we need enforcement, THEN we'll see about DACA. If Dems are serious about stemming illegal immigration, they will readily agree to this.

But the GOP keeps getting enforcement. It’s gotten it’s way enforcement funding 6x already. (It may be more - I’ve lost count.) All the GOP does is move the goalposts in order win more pork for their lobbyist friends. Just look at the corporations that benefit from building all of this shit we don’t need.

You want to actually address the issues that cause undocumented immigration? Here’s a hint: THE SOLUTION ISN’T THE BORDER.

Why on earth does the GOP have a hard-on for a Wall? Visa overstays outnumber undocumented border crossings. For a party that supposedly cares about fiscal responsibility, I don’t understand the rationale to throw billions at solutions that don’t address the actual push/pull factors behind immigration— unless your intentions are to rally the xenophobic, gun-toting base.

The solution must be enforcement of employers, rather than employees, who are recruiting and hiring undocumented labor. And the other even more component is raising wages (initially subsidizing agricultural and manufacturing businesses if necessary) and raising the artifically low immigration visa cap in order to fill the jobs that go unfilled without undocumented labor. Those visas MUST have portability in order to protect the rights of immigrants and also U.S. workers; currently employers will stiff and abuse employer-based visa holders because the workers can’t complain without risking their visa.

— signed, someone who worked on the 2013 bipartisan bill only to see it sunk by the GOP in the end

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

That is all already built in. Glad you're on board

OP here...I believe 1 and 2 are but not 3.

“Chain migration” is such a bullshit, GOP made-up concept — yet another way scare white people afraid of the brownification of America.

This BS term is their spin on family sponsorship, which is ALREADY incredibly expensive, protracted and arduous. You can’t just tell the government you want your family here, and then they say GREAT! and it’s done. The process takes years (exact length depends on country of origin and family relation), requires all the usual background checks, etc — and then the petitioner has to be able to demonstrate financial ability to sponsor the family member in case s/he cannot work.

Immigrant families with loved ones back home often send money back home in order to protect and support these family members over the years.

So: either stop the efforts to say we’re a country of family values, and support keeping families together; OR admit we don’t give a shit about brown families and drop the outrage over immigrants sending money back home. But either way, don’t play this BS game where the GOP is worried about this phenomenon that already doesn’t exist. I don’t know of any multimillionaire DACA recipents able to petition for all of their cousins.

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Anonymous wrote:90% of America thinks the dreamers should stay, without special conditions. so I'm not sure you are in a position to get special conditions.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/369487-poll-nearly-nine-in-10-favor-allowing-daca-recipients-to-stay

False. Over 50% of American citizens want the dreamers gone. Vaya con dios!

Most people do not respond to those surveys. If you are a Democrat [conservative, moderate, liberal] it does mean you respond to the surveys. Same for Republicans. Responders usually have an agenda when it is in favor of illegal immigration. Did the USA learn nothing from Reagan's amnesty or DACA in terms of surges?

Note Sen Leahy-D-Vermont was speaking on cspan. Vermont got a grand total of 5 Obama minors from Sept 2013-2017. MOCO , PG, Fairfax got 4000 or more. Send ours to Vermont and Wyden, and Durbin states. Then they can talk. Maryland? These federal politicians care more about illegals than their own constituents. Baltimore is in MD.



Immigration issues have no place in these budget discussions unless it is to remove SSI for non-contributing immigrants and to charge full actuarial rated costs and premiums to the same group for any medicare, Medicaid, or other subsidized programs. Also no more section 8 for non citizens.

Immigration policy does not belong in the budget debate for my country. This is reasonable and liberal except for allowing temp visas to foreign parents [other than tourist] and visa overstay should be a federal felony :
https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/011018-Securing-Americas-Future-Act-Final.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

I work in post-secondary education and this is easily gamed. Most of them churn free esol, elementary remedial, and "training" courses and can claim to be "college students" (even if they lack a high school diploma) for 6 7 8 years. So many daca don't work, aren't really in college, they're just running out the clock for amnesty while collecting benefits.

what benefits are they collecting?

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Anonymous wrote:I want them gone and their jobs given to legal residents and citizens.
If there are even jobs.

"Give" their jobs to legal residents? What the hell is this, a communist country? Go out and get a fucking job if you need one. Unemployment is inanely low, she there is no excuse for able bodied Americans to not be employed.

I have a friend who is 61 and was laid off 2 years ago. Not everyone can find a job, and it is horrible that an employer hires an illegal before her.

Highly doubt she can't find a job because an illegal took it....

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2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

I work in post-secondary education and this is easily gamed. Most of them churn free esol, elementary remedial, and "training" courses and can claim to be "college students" (even if they lack a high school diploma) for 6 7 8 years. So many daca don't work, aren't really in college, they're just running out the clock for amnesty while collecting benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want them gone and their jobs given to legal residents and citizens.
If there are even jobs.

"Give" their jobs to legal residents? What the hell is this, a communist country? Go out and get a fucking job if you need one. Unemployment is inanely low, she there is no excuse for able bodied Americans to not be employed.

I have a friend who is 61 and was laid off 2 years ago. Not everyone can find a job, and it is horrible that an employer hires an illegal before her.

So you think some kid working in a restaurant in LA is taking your friend's job?? What nonsense. There isn't a fixed amount of work in this country. Six percent of dreamers have started their own businesses. One dreamer EMPLOYS nine people and is looking to create more jobs. How many jobs has your friend created? Maybe he or she should ask a dreamer for work.

Only 6% started their on business? That's less than half the rate at which Americans start businesses.

And, wow....impressive. One dreamer out of 800,000 started a business that employs nine people. Let's keep that one.

My son is a high school junior, and last year his lawn cutting business employed six people and varying numbers of casual labor for weed pulling. What a slacker.

Did he employ American citizens? If so, good for him (and where are you located so I can use his services)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

Yes. And make them pay a fee that is used to improve border security.

Would this be part of the $495 fee they already pay or an additional fee?

Even if it's an additional fee, that's still far less compared to what they would have had to pay to become a citizen legally without the program.

Love it, keep moving the goalposts.

OP said there were three conditions. Those are already in place or in the bill. So now lets add more stuff. As it is, the DACA folks are accretive to our society from a cost standpoint.

Tuition differences between in and out of state are already 20K or more and DACA kids get that benefit, as illegal aliens of this country. $495 is paltry

Anonymous wrote:Nope, sorry.

Reagan agreed to amnesty with tightening up avenues of illegal immigration. The amnesty happened. Enforcement didn't. Why should anyone believe there will be enforcement in the future without there being teeth to it?

We've already had the amnesty. It happened 30 years ago. It's time for the enforcement. All amnesty did under Reagan was cause more people to come here illegally, taking a chance they'd get to stay. Cutting them a break will lead to more illegal aliens. Enforcement should happen quickly.

And that's the problem - Dems agree but won't come through. First we need enforcement, THEN we'll see about DACA. If Dems are serious about stemming illegal immigration, they will readily agree to this.

^^ let me add that DACA is a special category because they did not have a say coming here but they should never receive citizenship unless they serve in the military.

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Anonymous wrote:Permanent work authorization with your conditions - fine. Green card - maybe. Citizenship - NO absolutely not, don't care what conditions they meet.

oh, I see. You don't like immigration because it lowers American wages...but you are fine creating a permanent underclass of workers who have no voting rights or ability to influence regulatory or economic policy?

Not the pp you addressed but I am fine with legal immigration from anywhere in the world - any race, religion, ethnicity, etc.

I am totally against deals to legitimize people arrived illegally. And yes, they may be an underclass and they should not have voting rights of any sort not now or ever because they broke the law to enter the country.

Liberal logic

Shutdown the government to support illegal alien criminals and hate the military

They should be allowed to stay after spending 5 years of their time to build the wall