Anonymous wrote:What caused her to pass out and get a bloody nose? Are they saying that Matt Lauer drugged her and bloodied her nose?

^Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.

What caused her to pass out and get a bloody nose? Are they saying that Matt Lauer drugged her and bloodied her nose?

Matt Lauer's reputation for having affairs and being a womanizer was in the news for years. He was once "Roasted" at some club in NYC by his peers with most of the roasts centered on his womanizing. So Katie Couric certainly knew about that but did she know that he sexually harassed women? Possibly not, but she she can't be surprised and shocked.

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Anonymous wrote:How many use the button to lock someone in?

It was more to lock others out of the room vs locking someone into the room, from what I understand. In other words, I think that the people inside the room were free to open the door and leave. But if a woman screamed inside of the room, for instance, the lock on the door would have prevented anyone else from coming into the room.

No. That is not how electronic access doors work. What you are talking about is a sensor-egress. It is locked from the outside but releases when someone on the inside walks near the door. It does not have a button. In this system, no one would be trapped in his office and you could run out easily.

What he had was a remote access door release button, that either offered the ability to lock and unlock, or simply allowed him to buzz people in and then doors would resume a locked status. 9

-architect

So he would have to buzz them out to? Or they would be locked in the room?

Yes, if that is how it was set up. That sort of configuration does not meet code, and would never be allowed in a public or semi-public area like a reception or lobby. But for individual's office where security is a significant concern, there are a lot of options where, you can essentially get locked in if you dont have access to the control button. They typically will all release if a fire alarm is going off. But short of that, if you have pervert who wants to trap people, unfortunately the option is there. It's a balance that has to be weighed carefully, egress vs individual security. Furthermore, a lot of these systems are set up after the building or office is occupied and thus are not part of the code review.

I don't think there was a fuzzy line anywhere in the Matt Lauer story - the woman claims to have lost consciousness and had a bloody nose. I believe there were hospital records to corroborate her story. That is far beyond the "was it or wasn't it consensual" / "was he just sleeping around vs abusing underlings" questions.

Unlike Aziz, who I am not defending, but the facts are very different. The physical evidence that exists, that the public has been made aware of, is a text from the woman to Aziz "the day after" saying basically "that may have seemed okay to you but it wasn't for me", and him replying by text that he was saddened to hear that and it had seemed okay to him and he was so sorry if it hadn't been. These are not comparable scenarios to me, as least as far as the facts that have been conveyed to the public so far.

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Anonymous wrote:How many use the button to lock someone in?

It was more to lock others out of the room vs locking someone into the room, from what I understand. In other words, I think that the people inside the room were free to open the door and leave. But if a woman screamed inside of the room, for instance, the lock on the door would have prevented anyone else from coming into the room.

No. That is not how electronic access doors work. What you are talking about is a sensor-egress. It is locked from the outside but releases when someone on the inside walks near the door. It does not have a button. In this system, no one would be trapped in his office and you could run out easily.

What he had was a remote access door release button, that either offered the ability to lock and unlock, or simply allowed him to buzz people in and then doors would resume a locked status.

-architect

So he would have to buzz them out to? Or they would be locked in the room?

Wait, I thought his bad behavior started when he took over first chair after Katie left? I thought it was sort of a 'too big for his britches' sort of situation where his ego inflated.

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Anonymous wrote:How many use the button to lock someone in?

It was more to lock others out of the room vs locking someone into the room, from what I understand. In other words, I think that the people inside the room were free to open the door and leave. But if a woman screamed inside of the room, for instance, the lock on the door would have prevented anyone else from coming into the room.

No. That is not how electronic access doors work. What you are talking about is a sensor-egress. It is locked from the outside but releases when someone on the inside walks near the door. It does not have a button. In this system, no one would be trapped in his office and you could run out easily.

What he had was a remote access door release button, that either offered the ability to lock and unlock, or simply allowed him to buzz people in and then doors would resume a locked status.

-architect

Op here. Typically any office reception area has at least one if not both of these systems simultaneously. Super common.

sorry, wrote pp here and auto corrected to op.

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Anonymous wrote:How many use the button to lock someone in?

It was more to lock others out of the room vs locking someone into the room, from what I understand. In other words, I think that the people inside the room were free to open the door and leave. But if a woman screamed inside of the room, for instance, the lock on the door would have prevented anyone else from coming into the room.

No. That is not how electronic access doors work. What you are talking about is a sensor-egress. It is locked from the outside but releases when someone on the inside walks near the door. It does not have a button. In this system, no one would be trapped in his office and you could run out easily.

What he had was a remote access door release button, that either offered the ability to lock and unlock, or simply allowed him to buzz people in and then doors would resume a locked status.

-architect

Op here. Typically any office reception area has at least one if not both of these systems simultaneously. Super common.

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Anonymous wrote:How many use the button to lock someone in?

It was more to lock others out of the room vs locking someone into the room, from what I understand. In other words, I think that the people inside the room were free to open the door and leave. But if a woman screamed inside of the room, for instance, the lock on the door would have prevented anyone else from coming into the room.

No. That is not how electronic access doors work. What you are talking about is a sensor-egress. It is locked from the outside but releases when someone on the inside walks near the door. It does not have a button. In this system, no one would be trapped in his office and you could run out easily.

What he had was a remote access door release button, that either offered the ability to lock and unlock, or simply allowed him to buzz people in and then doors would resume a locked status.

-architect

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Anonymous wrote:did she say she didn't know? She was on the record long ago saying that Lauer pinched her ass. She's a victim of his hideous behavior.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-pinches-katie-couric/

No, she's a victim of her own ego and climb to power. If Matt did this years ago, why didn't she raise the roof about it then?

Right, she should sacrifice her own career and well-being to take him down. And, she talked about him pinching her ass in 2012. Is that early enough? When would have been early enough?

Sometimes, it takes people willing to tolerate and work with jackasses like Lauer to make change from the inside out.

That's the difference between a strong sister and a weak sister. Yes, she should have sacrificed being in that high position. But I guess you wouldn't care if your own daughter had been one of his victims, eh?

My daughter can take care of herself. You might consider teaching your own daughter. Have you talked to her regularly growing up? Do you discuss these things now? It’s best to establish a consistent rapport with your daughters.
Does your daughter play sports? These are modern times - teach your daughter to be a leader and not a victim.

Are you talking to me, lady?

I have a 13 yo daughter who knows about ugly situations. If she didn't speak to me about uncomfortable situations, her friend, who was molested at school by a male classmate, would have stayed silent.

Don't preach to me, honey. The ugly side of life comes out at home b/c I don't believe in fairy tales. I do indeed prepare my daughter and son for life.

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Anonymous wrote:did she say she didn't know? She was on the record long ago saying that Lauer pinched her ass. She's a victim of his hideous behavior.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-pinches-katie-couric/

No, she's a victim of her own ego and climb to power. If Matt did this years ago, why didn't she raise the roof about it then?

Right, she should sacrifice her own career and well-being to take him down. And, she talked about him pinching her ass in 2012. Is that early enough? When would have been early enough?

Sometimes, it takes people willing to tolerate and work with jackasses like Lauer to make change from the inside out.

That's the difference between a strong sister and a weak sister. Yes, she should have sacrificed being in that high position. But I guess you wouldn't care if your own daughter had been one of his victims, eh?

My daughter can take care of herself. You might consider teaching your own daughter. Have you talked to her regularly growing up? Do you discuss these things now? It’s best to establish a consistent rapport with your daughters.
Does your daughter play sports? These are modern times - teach your daughter to be a leader and not a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:did she say she didn't know? She was on the record long ago saying that Lauer pinched her ass. She's a victim of his hideous behavior.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-pinches-katie-couric/

No, she's a victim of her own ego and climb to power. If Matt did this years ago, why didn't she raise the roof about it then?

Right, she should sacrifice her own career and well-being to take him down. And, she talked about him pinching her ass in 2012. Is that early enough? When would have been early enough?

Sometimes, it takes people willing to tolerate and work with jackasses like Lauer to make change from the inside out.

That's the difference between a strong sister and a weak sister. Yes, she should have sacrificed being in that high position. But I guess you wouldn't care if your own daughter had been one of his victims, eh?

Anonymous wrote:I'm about sick of the women-blaming for men's bad and illegal behavior.

I'm sick of people playing the victim role. It goes both ways. And now that women are stepping up, we are setting the stage for our own children who will have no excuse to hide this sick behavior at work, at home, in a public setting!

no excuses ever again

similar to those wives who claim they didn't know their husbands (or significant others) were molesting the children

same situation, same reaction

I agree with the PP - weak women who should not be in powerful or visible positions.