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Anonymous wrote:Howdy ladies. I drive a pickup truck, chop down trees, fix vehicles, install appliances, run marathons, hunt, fish, and blow my noise with sandpaper. Please tell me where to meet a woman who appreciates a man like this?

He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch, he likes to pick wildflowers.
He puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars.

Anonymous wrote:OP, this is mostly a generational thing. We now treat boys like girls. Young guys play fewer sports and are less adventureous than previous generations . Boys don't learn how to fix things like cars and houses because they are too busy studying and gaming, especially in urban areas. And then add the brainwashing by the fem Nazis, and this is what you get. It's kind of sad because it's resulted in boys missing out on a lot of valuable life experiences.

Anonymous wrote:It is a common trait of women to demand feminist liberation for themselves but continue to expect men to be held to gender standards. They just want a salt of the Earth blue collar guy with a masters degree who makes six figures, doesn't worry about how he looks but somehow magically is in great shape, but is totally OK with a woman who is 40 pounds overweight. He can fix anything but still had time to read the classics and be conversant on intersectionalism. Also, he is very traditionally masculine but loves and appreciates feminism and likes it when women control him. He also has a crystal ball in his cerebellum and knows exactly when to be sexually aggressive but also when to respect a woman's boundaries and read her thoughts even when they are never actually expressed.

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Anonymous wrote:By no means am I suggesting that a guy needs to be benching his body weight; or watching 8 hrs of football per weekend; or be spitting and scratching his crotch to be a real man. But having only lived on the east coast for 2 years, I am kind of shocked by how un-manly well educated white collar professional guys are in DC and NYC. Seems like everyone's hobby is watching the news (politics in DC; CNBC in NYC). They seem incapable of fixing anything - whether it's a closet door that's off its hinge or a flat tire - they are willing to call a handy man or mechanic and are ok with that guy thinking they have no idea what to do. And they seem kind of gossipy/critical about how others are living their lives. Just seems odd to me that a guy would be ok spending his weekend reading a book and criticizing how some other dude is choosing to rent a home rather than buy. I just feel like guys back home -- including drs/lawyers/med/law students were more into sports, working out, home renovation, cars etc. Is this a DC/NYC thing? I've seen it in guys I've casually dated, guys at work etc. -- all ages 25-35.

Wow this is very sexist. Guess you are a trump voter?

Anonymous wrote:Part of this is an age thing: Baby Boomers had Depression era parents. Those people did things for themselves, because that's what they could afford. Some of these skills, like being able to work on cars, are already obsolete. Modern cars have computers in them, and when something goes wrong, they require expensive proprietary diagnostic equipment at the dealership. The days of the guy working on his car in his garage are over.

There are only so many hours in a day. Doctors in the midwest don't have to work as hard: there is less competition, they don't have to commute, and their COL is way lower. Maybe they can afford to take ten hours to do an amateurish job on their house. Most of the guys I know who tried to do their own home repairs (including guys from the midwest) ended up calling in professionals to clean up after them. They didn't know as much as they thought.

Anonymous wrote:By no means am I suggesting that a guy needs to be benching his body weight; or watching 8 hrs of football per weekend; or be spitting and scratching his crotch to be a real man. But having only lived on the east coast for 2 years, I am kind of shocked by how un-manly well educated white collar professional guys are in DC and NYC. Seems like everyone's hobby is watching the news (politics in DC; CNBC in NYC). They seem incapable of fixing anything - whether it's a closet door that's off its hinge or a flat tire - they are willing to call a handy man or mechanic and are ok with that guy thinking they have no idea what to do. And they seem kind of gossipy/critical about how others are living their lives. Just seems odd to me that a guy would be ok spending his weekend reading a book and criticizing how some other dude is choosing to rent a home rather than buy. I just feel like guys back home -- including drs/lawyers/med/law students were more into sports, working out, home renovation, cars etc. Is this a DC/NYC thing? I've seen it in guys I've casually dated, guys at work etc. -- all ages 25-35.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By no means am I suggesting that a guy needs to be benching his body weight; or watching 8 hrs of football per weekend; or be spitting and scratching his crotch to be a real man. But having only lived on the east coast for 2 years, I am kind of shocked by how un-manly well educated white collar professional guys are in DC and NYC. Seems like everyone's hobby is watching the news (politics in DC; CNBC in NYC). They seem incapable of fixing anything - whether it's a closet door that's off its hinge or a flat tire - they are willing to call a handy man or mechanic and are ok with that guy thinking they have no idea what to do. And they seem kind of gossipy/critical about how others are living their lives. Just seems odd to me that a guy would be ok spending his weekend reading a book and criticizing how some other dude is choosing to rent a home rather than buy. I just feel like guys back home -- including drs/lawyers/med/law students were more into sports, working out, home renovation, cars etc. Is this a DC/NYC thing? I've seen it in guys I've casually dated, guys at work etc. -- all ages 25-35.

This is the only thing my husband is interested in talking about besides his job and our money. I gave up on conversation years ago. Yes, he’s from NY. I wish when I was young and in love I noticed that conversation is so boring with him. I also thing men from these parts of the country are bad conversationalists.

I honestly didn't realize men were that gossipy. It's like people have given women a bad name for gossiping and yet the men I run into are no better. It is very "comparative" -- other peoples' houses, jobs, money, family situations. Things that really aren't anyone's business and frankly things you don't know about others just at the surface level because no one else really knows how someone's home life really is or what stresses they really face (or don't).

Same with every man in my extended family. They are all doing well for themselves but it's like an insecurity -- they MUST talk about how they're doing better than Joe Schmoe at work or from down the block. I don't get it.

Yes, my husband is very interested in comparing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an upper class vs blue collar thing. They have the money to not have to do those things.

Not true. My dad's family is very old New England money and he does remodels himself, knows cars inside and out, etc. He always had an interest (although I will say, my uncles are nothing like him).

+1 I’ve actually found it to be the opposite. The old money people I know teach their kids this stuff, make sure they know how to do it, encourage outdoor pursuits, etc. The “oh, my kids don’t need to know that the help will just do it!” screams new money.

+1

"Throwing money at it" = new money. For sure.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By no means am I suggesting that a guy needs to be benching his body weight; or watching 8 hrs of football per weekend; or be spitting and scratching his crotch to be a real man. But having only lived on the east coast for 2 years, I am kind of shocked by how un-manly well educated white collar professional guys are in DC and NYC. Seems like everyone's hobby is watching the news (politics in DC; CNBC in NYC). They seem incapable of fixing anything - whether it's a closet door that's off its hinge or a flat tire - they are willing to call a handy man or mechanic and are ok with that guy thinking they have no idea what to do. And they seem kind of gossipy/critical about how others are living their lives. Just seems odd to me that a guy would be ok spending his weekend reading a book and criticizing how some other dude is choosing to rent a home rather than buy. I just feel like guys back home -- including drs/lawyers/med/law students were more into sports, working out, home renovation, cars etc. Is this a DC/NYC thing? I've seen it in guys I've casually dated, guys at work etc. -- all ages 25-35.

This is the only thing my husband is interested in talking about besides his job and our money. I gave up on conversation years ago. Yes, he’s from NY. I wish when I was young and in love I noticed that conversation is so boring with him. I also thing men from these parts of the country are bad conversationalists.

I honestly didn't realize men were that gossipy. It's like people have given women a bad name for gossiping and yet the men I run into are no better. It is very "comparative" -- other peoples' houses, jobs, money, family situations. Things that really aren't anyone's business and frankly things you don't know about others just at the surface level because no one else really knows how someone's home life really is or what stresses they really face (or don't).