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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

Sounds like you are a bitter betty who doesn't score well on tests. Or, more likely, your kids don't.

I feel like those studies that say GPA predicts college success miss something. I had a higher GPA, but much lower SAT than my DH coming out of high school. On the face of it the studies were predictive -- I also had a higher GPA coming out of college. The difference was the DH double majored in electrical engineering and physics and I quickly dropped out of higher level math to major in history. Now maybe those majors are equivalent but maybe not.

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Anonymous wrote:“Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.“

This has not be my DCs’ experiences. They went to one of the “hard” HS in the DCUM area and they both found out how well prepared they were for their classes and that not everyone in their classes had the same preparation. They have had a relatively easier time of it than their classmates coming from less rigourous high schools.

+1 I came to college from a rural high school where we just didn't have the offerings and rigor of schools like a large suburban public HS or private high school and it definitely showed. I felt pretty lost at first and resentful that many of my peers had academic experiences that I did not. (Thanks to some amazing mentors and such I eventually succeeded, but to say there is no difference between students at college once you're there is not true. It's just not.)

GPA measure ability to learn, desire to learn, ability to work hard.... So your GPA did exactly what it was supposed to do, predict that you could handle the course work, you had a desire and you were able to work hard. What does "not struggling" in college buy you? Nothing?

Those kids struggled at some point and their parents got them tutors or they were in a classroom with 18 kids. So they learned a skill at 17 test you learned at 19. In the end, you were all the same. ( unless you drppoed out)

BTW, those other student struggled at something, you just don't know what it was.

Anonymous wrote:Agree from our FCPS school. The Naviance data on University of California schools highly suggests a level of test scores and GPA where almost every applicant is admitted. And below that almost no one is admitted.

Not anymore. The Regents recently capped OOS at 20% because the Californians were screaming that their kids couldn't get in. That includes the international students. A Regent told me they are going to continue to cut OOS down annually to 5%. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-limit-nonresident-students-20170306-story.html

I worked for an organization once that ran service trips for teens. We didn't allow kids to bring their phones to job sites, so one time a parent asked me to please take pictures of her child volunteering so she could include them in her college applications.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

SATs aren't the only standardized measure--you could do admissions purely based on height, or the sum of the numbers in your birth date. Those are objective "standardized" numbers. Sure they don't tell you anything about who a student is, but neither does the SAT.

Actually, the objective number that could easily stand in for SAT scores is parental income, which correlates highly with SAT scores. Just skip the middleman and admit the rich kids directly. Totally fair system!

Anonymous wrote:“Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.“

This has not be my DCs’ experiences. They went to one of the “hard” HS in the DCUM area and they both found out how well prepared they were for their classes and that not everyone in their classes had the same preparation. They have had a relatively easier time of it than their classmates coming from less rigourous high schools.

+1 I came to college from a rural high school where we just didn't have the offerings and rigor of schools like a large suburban public HS or private high school and it definitely showed. I felt pretty lost at first and resentful that many of my peers had academic experiences that I did not. (Thanks to some amazing mentors and such I eventually succeeded, but to say there is no difference between students at college once you're there is not true. It's just not.)

Yeah, everyone's totally the same... What's with remedial classes, drop out rates, STEM vs "communications", 5 6 7 years to finish? lol

“Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.“

This has not be my DCs’ experiences. They went to one of the “hard” HS in the DCUM area and they both found out how well prepared they were for their classes and that not everyone in their classes had the same preparation. They have had a relatively easier time of it than their classmates coming from less rigourous high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

It is true. Do you have a high schooler? Grades have gotten ridiculous.

1 out of college, 1 going to college and 1 in HS

The only thing ridiculous is the testing... SATs and APs.

Kids from our local schools think they are hot shots with their "rigorous academics".

Kids don't need to do all that to succeed in college. They just need to know how to learn.

Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.

Wtf? No. Some 35% of college students need remedial classes...

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

It is true. Do you have a high schooler? Grades have gotten ridiculous.

1 out of college, 1 going to college and 1 in HS

The only thing ridiculous is the testing... SATs and APs.

Kids from our local schools think they are hot shots with their "rigorous academics".

Kids don't need to do all that to succeed in college. They just need to know how to learn.

Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.

No. Just no.

Yes. Just yes. The hardest part of college is getting in.

Nope. Rigor of high school classes is one of the most crucial factors in whether or not a student will be successful in college.

http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingstudents/High-school-rigor-and-good-advice-Setting-up-students-to-succeed
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/purduetoday/releases/2013/Q3/academic-rigor-makes-the-difference-in-college-readiness,-success.html

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

It is true. Do you have a high schooler? Grades have gotten ridiculous.

1 out of college, 1 going to college and 1 in HS

The only thing ridiculous is the testing... SATs and APs.

Kids from our local schools think they are hot shots with their "rigorous academics".

Kids don't need to do all that to succeed in college. They just need to know how to learn.

Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.

No. Just no.

Yes. Just yes. The hardest part of college is getting in.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

It is true. Do you have a high schooler? Grades have gotten ridiculous.

1 out of college, 1 going to college and 1 in HS

The only thing ridiculous is the testing... SATs and APs.

Kids from our local schools think they are hot shots with their "rigorous academics".

Kids don't need to do all that to succeed in college. They just need to know how to learn.

Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.

No. Just no.

Studies show it takes until around Sophomore spring for things to even out.

No kids, absolutely no kids do these things for kindness.

They are trained to be opportunistic by their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. I think we’d all be better off if we went straight to standardized test scores: SAT scores and subject tests, that’s it.

You get a # and nothing else is known about you: race, gender, school, location, gpa.

Yes, we should base college admissions entirely on multiple choice tests...with SAT math questions at the algebra/geometry level.

Obviously you’d need to make the tests harder dumb ass

The point is, thet shouldn’t be anything extra. No bonus points for race, gender, geographic diversity, French horn.

I’d be curious to see what they end up with.

You would have kids loading up on "easy A" classes in HS and then doing SAT prep classes after school on there own time and dime.

I think we need to get rid of test scores all together. They are the worst measurement for success.

But unfortunately it is the only standardized measure. It is impossible to compare across schools and curriculums. Even within the same school there are easy and hard teachers teaching the same classes. Some don't give As as a principle, others allow endless retakes. GPA is no longer associated with any actual level of ability or achievement.

That is not true. That is why there are so many test optional school and I think more schools will be test optional in the future and hopefully the money making industry of SAT/ACT/AP will go away.

It is true. Do you have a high schooler? Grades have gotten ridiculous.

1 out of college, 1 going to college and 1 in HS

The only thing ridiculous is the testing... SATs and APs.

Kids from our local schools think they are hot shots with their "rigorous academics".

Kids don't need to do all that to succeed in college. They just need to know how to learn.

Once they get to college everybody is the same no matter how "hard" your HS was.

No. Just no.