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NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

It's already been answered several times, so stop asking. Liberals are blocking their efforts every step of the way. I'm just glad that Rep. Barbara Comstock introduced a bill to immediately deport gang members. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.599fb59e32e2
But, oh look!
"The bill was slammed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the American Civil Liberties Union, which argued it would promote racial profiling, erode due process and unintentionally affect others, such as clergy who try to help gang members." And this:

"Democrats speaking against the bill said they agreed there must be a way to curtail MS-13, but Comstock’s bill would have unintended consequences and face legal challenges.
“We all agree MS-13 is a problem and I think she’d be better served by working in a bipartisan manner to find a responsible solution rather than doing something on her own that’s probably dead on arrival in the Senate,” Beyer said after the vote.
Immigrant advocates objected to the bill, saying it would give law enforcement wide latitude in designating groups of people as gangs and seeking to deport, detain or block their asylum before a crime has been committed.
“This feels just like yet another barely thinly veiled attempt to criminalize and demonize immigrants in order to justify what this administration has consistently promoted as their commitment to a massive deportation regime,” said Avideh Moussavian, a senior policy attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.

So you see, despite the best efforts of Republicans, liberals just can't stop themselves from declaring even deportation of MS-13 members, somehow wrong. So liberals - take a good look in the mirror at exactly what's stopping our immigration laws from being enforced. You.

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Anonymous wrote:First liberals have to give up sanctuary cities and protections for dreamers....

+1000
"Why aren't Republicans enforcing the laws?" asks a PP. THIS IS WHY. ^^^^
If you want Republicans to enforce immigration laws, liberals are going to first have to back down on their rabid support for sanctuary cities and DACA. Personally, I was fine with giving Dreamers the right to stay here. That is, until I saw the video of them shouting over Nancy Pelosi and insisting all 11 million illegal immigrants be granted amnesty. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for entitled, arrogant people demanding rights that aren't even theirs to demand.

How are the Democrats stopping the Republicans from enforcing the laws?

Anonymous wrote:First liberals have to give up sanctuary cities and protections for dreamers....

+1000
"Why aren't Republicans enforcing the laws?" asks a PP. THIS IS WHY. ^^^^
If you want Republicans to enforce immigration laws, liberals are going to first have to back down on their rabid support for sanctuary cities and DACA. Personally, I was fine with giving Dreamers the right to stay here. That is, until I saw the video of them shouting over Nancy Pelosi and insisting all 11 million illegal immigrants be granted amnesty. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for entitled, arrogant people demanding rights that aren't even theirs to demand.

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PRECISELY. Liberals are the groups making sure illegal immigrants have "rights" and who go to bat on their behalf. No mention of the fact that they're jumping in line in front of thousands of other immigrants who have spent years waiting to LEGALLY become citizens. Somehow, in the liberal mind, illegal immigrants deserve to be above the law. So OP and others blaming Republicans? Step aside and do something to HELP fix illegal immigration - stop being apologists for law breakers.

The president is a Republican. Both houses of Congress have a Republican majority. 34 states have Republican governors. 26 states have Republican governors AND a Republican legislature. If the Republicans want to do something, what's stopping them?

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NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

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Anonymous wrote:No one is standing in the Republicans way. What ever the Conservative Republicans on this forum want - their own party can give them. New laws, enforcement of existing laws, outlawing sanctuary cities, etc.

So stop the constant whiny.

Hmm! Republicans are not whining about this - they are deporting people who are here illegally and further restricting immigration.

It is the Democrats and the Hispanic lobby who are forever whining about something needing to be done.

Count the number on threads whining about undocumented immigrants on this forum. None are written by Democrats or Liberals.

And who cares what Democrats whine about? You don't need them. Do something!!!

I would think the OP on this topic was started by a Democrat - certainly unlikely to be a Republican.

When Trump reversed Obama's DACA EO, the outcry was by liberals and Hispanic groups as were the demonstrations.

I think ICE and Trump would be perfectly good with just deporting illegals and holding back funds to sanctuary cities. The litigation against this is invariably by liberal and Hispanic groups.

PRECISELY. Liberals are the groups making sure illegal immigrants have "rights" and who go to bat on their behalf. No mention of the fact that they're jumping in line in front of thousands of other immigrants who have spent years waiting to LEGALLY become citizens. Somehow, in the liberal mind, illegal immigrants deserve to be above the law. So OP and others blaming Republicans? Step aside and do something to HELP fix illegal immigration - stop being apologists for law breakers.

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Anonymous wrote:Name one immigration bill that the Democrats have filibustered?


Actually name one immigration bill the Republicans have put on the floor?


What the Republican base never seems to realize is that the Republicans don't want to change immigration.

This.

No immigration bills are needed. Just enforce existing laws.

So, why aren't the Republicans doing that?

Because their donors don't want it.

Their base wants it, but republicans listen to those who shove $$$ in their pockets.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is standing in the Republicans way. What ever the Conservative Republicans on this forum want - their own party can give them. New laws, enforcement of existing laws, outlawing sanctuary cities, etc.

So stop the constant whiny.

Hmm! Republicans are not whining about this - they are deporting people who are here illegally and further restricting immigration.

It is the Democrats and the Hispanic lobby who are forever whining about something needing to be done.

Count the number on threads whining about undocumented immigrants on this forum. None are written by Democrats or Liberals.

And who cares what Democrats whine about? You don't need them. Do something!!!

NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Name one immigration bill that the Democrats have filibustered?


Actually name one immigration bill the Republicans have put on the floor?


What the Republican base never seems to realize is that the Republicans don't want to change immigration.

This.

No immigration bills are needed. Just enforce existing laws.

So, why aren't the Republicans doing that?

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Ryan and McConnell are part of the problem with their affinity to business interests on the whole issue of illegals (as opposed to DACA). The Trump administration is doing the right thing with deportations without the big splash of publicity. And to those who say that Trump is doing less than Obama did, then you should be very pleased that he is being less aggressive.

And you should be angry that the Trump administration is not doing what Trump said it would do.

I didn't vote for him, but I was hopeful that he would do something about illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is down about 60%, but this won't last unless he starts actually deporting more.

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Anonymous wrote:Name one immigration bill that the Democrats have filibustered?


Actually name one immigration bill the Republicans have put on the floor?


What the Republican base never seems to realize is that the Republicans don't want to change immigration.

This.

No immigration bills are needed. Just enforce existing laws.

Anonymous wrote:

Ryan and McConnell are part of the problem with their affinity to business interests on the whole issue of illegals (as opposed to DACA). The Trump administration is doing the right thing with deportations without the big splash of publicity. And to those who say that Trump is doing less than Obama did, then you should be very pleased that he is being less aggressive.

And you should be angry that the Trump administration is not doing what Trump said it would do.

Anonymous wrote:Name one immigration bill that the Democrats have filibustered?


Actually name one immigration bill the Republicans have put on the floor?


What the Republican base never seems to realize is that the Republicans don't want to change immigration.

This.

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Hmm. Why is it the liberals are apologists for illegal immigrants and anchor babies? We see this all the time here on DCUM alone. Liberals *encourage* illegal immigrants to come here and stay here. They lobby hard for amnesty and citizenship for illegals. They call anyone who wants illegal immigration to stop, "RACISTS." What about this don't you understand? Liberal leaders and the people who vote for them are illegal immigrants biggest champions. Don't try passing this one off on the Republicans. You liberals fight at every turn to let these people stay in the country - ILLEGALLY. Hypocrites of the highest order.

This is exactly correct! It is part of the identity politics that has become an integral part of the Democratic party. It is nothing more than pandering for votes. They get 70% of the Hispanic vote and it is all a calculated move to maintain this group's support. The irony is that in the process they end up alienating the white vote in middle-America where the Hispanic population is not as significant and the net effect is that they lose many of those states. So they lose the electoral college and wonder why that has happened.

What is more is that legal immigrants who become citizens are less than kindly disposed to illegals who try and jump the line to attain status. We have quite a few immigrants who came here legally express their outrage on DCUM at the Democratic party's espousal of illegals.

The one thing that has changed is that blacks who were at one time vigorously opposed to illegals because they competed for jobs have become less of a factor for Democrats on this issue since they will vote Democratic in any event and can be taken for granted.

Well you guys are in charge now, so quit bitching and fix it. That is, if you can convince the R leadership to actually do it. Their pockets are still wide open to big business.

There is nothing to fix!

The existing laws make it clear that someone who is here illegally has no right to be in the country. The one thing that Roy Moore's victory should have made clear to Republican leadership is that amnesty is not on the cards while Trump is in office.

Then why is trump twiddling his thumb and not deporting the DACA/DAPA? Why are Ryan and McConnel desperately seeking to make DACA legal?

Ryan and McConnell are part of the problem with their affinity to business interests on the whole issue of illegals (as opposed to DACA). The Trump administration is doing the right thing with deportations without the big splash of publicity. And to those who say that Trump is doing less than Obama did, then you should be very pleased that he is being less aggressive.

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Anonymous wrote:First liberals have to give up sanctuary cities and protections for dreamers....

But what about States Rights?
Isn't that the core of the GOP's principle?
Isn't that the root of the Southern Strategy?

Article I, Section 8, clause 4 of the Con­stitution entrusts the federal legislative branch with the power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” This clear textual command for uniformity establishes that the federal government, specifically Congress, is responsible for crafting the laws that determine how and when noncitizens can become nat­uralized citizens of the United States. But control over naturalization does not necessarily require full control over immigration. And indeed, for the first century of the United States’ existence, many states enacted laws regulating and controlling immigration into their own borders. Various states passed laws aimed at preventing a variety of populations from entering the borders of their states (which appear to have some support from the 9/10th amendments), including individuals with criminal records, people reliant on public assistance, slaves, and free blacks.

I personally don't have much of a problem with sanctuary cities (unless their actions are in conflict with the law), but I don't see much of a problem with the federal government withholding funds either for non-compliance. Then again, I'm just an unhinged libertarian.

Susbsequent Supreme Court decisions affirmed that only the Feds can enforce immigration law.