Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 12:49     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:A number of countries skimp on defense knowing that we will fill in for them if necessary. That way they have more to spend on health and welfare.


So we too could have more to spend on our nation's health and welfare if the military budget were shrunk? Interesting.

Fuck these endless manufactured wars. If our President would quit provoking through his tweets, and USA finally started minding their own business we also could skimp on defense.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 12:42     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
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Anonymous wrote:OP seems to forget that we've already been through this drill 50 times over the last 7 years.


OP here. This time feels different than the last 2. I don't count the other when Rs knew Obama would veto.


Why? If I'm not mistaken they've also attempted several repeal votes since Obama's been gone.


Because McCain is close to Graham and will vote for it this time.


And AZ gov supports. This time is different.


But Rand Paul is opposing the bill. Is he going to change his mind?
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 12:41     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
The GOP will just keep introducing bad bill after bad bill. At one point, it will pass and a huge number of people will lose coverage and medically induced bankruptcies will skyrocket.

That's our healthcare system: medical bankruptcy
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 12:28     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
A number of countries skimp on defense knowing that we will fill in for them if necessary. That way they have more to spend on health and welfare.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 12:17     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Every person who has coverage now will see their rates rise by 20% under the GOP plan, across the board.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 11:59     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is there are fixes to the ACA which the Dems have been trying to address since 2013, but the GOP controlled Congress has refused to let any of them see the floor for a vote, instead choosing to make folks like the PP pay exhorbanent premiums in an attempt to get support for the repeal. Obviously it is working, but the better solution is to either fix and fund the ACA or go to single payer.

All of this other stuff, particularly what the GOP is trying to do is really deplorable.


What are these "fixes"? And please include how we pay for the fixes. Thanks.



Gee, there is a thing called google, why don't you read the myriad bills that have been presented over the past several years.

You mean the bills that say let's just give more health care to people even though we can't pay for it?


Ridiculous. Trillions of taxpayer dollars are going towards the war machine, led by an agency that routinely cannot account for trillions of dollars. Yet when healthcare comes up for discussion we are flat broke.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT2PV


And THAT is the major difference between us and the rest of the Western countries. They spend their money on health, social welfare and the QOL of their citizens. We fund the military beyond what it needs and are miserly and full of contempt when it comes to the health, welfare and QOL of our citizens. It is utterly ridiculous. We could erase most of the poverty in America with a fraction of the new defense spending bill.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 11:52     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is there are fixes to the ACA which the Dems have been trying to address since 2013, but the GOP controlled Congress has refused to let any of them see the floor for a vote, instead choosing to make folks like the PP pay exhorbanent premiums in an attempt to get support for the repeal. Obviously it is working, but the better solution is to either fix and fund the ACA or go to single payer.

All of this other stuff, particularly what the GOP is trying to do is really deplorable.


What are these "fixes"? And please include how we pay for the fixes. Thanks.



Gee, there is a thing called google, why don't you read the myriad bills that have been presented over the past several years.

You mean the bills that say let's just give more health care to people even though we can't pay for it?


Ridiculous. Trillions of taxpayer dollars are going towards the war machine, led by an agency that routinely cannot account for trillions of dollars. Yet when healthcare comes up for discussion we are flat broke.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT2PV


700 BILLION defense package approved by Senate on Monday


Yep. And it was bipartisan. Cost is never an issue when it comes to the war machine.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 11:09     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is there are fixes to the ACA which the Dems have been trying to address since 2013, but the GOP controlled Congress has refused to let any of them see the floor for a vote, instead choosing to make folks like the PP pay exhorbanent premiums in an attempt to get support for the repeal. Obviously it is working, but the better solution is to either fix and fund the ACA or go to single payer.

All of this other stuff, particularly what the GOP is trying to do is really deplorable.


What are these "fixes"? And please include how we pay for the fixes. Thanks.



Gee, there is a thing called google, why don't you read the myriad bills that have been presented over the past several years.

You mean the bills that say let's just give more health care to people even though we can't pay for it?


Ridiculous. Trillions of taxpayer dollars are going towards the war machine, led by an agency that routinely cannot account for trillions of dollars. Yet when healthcare comes up for discussion we are flat broke.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT2PV


700 BILLION defense package approved by Senate on Monday
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 11:07     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is there are fixes to the ACA which the Dems have been trying to address since 2013, but the GOP controlled Congress has refused to let any of them see the floor for a vote, instead choosing to make folks like the PP pay exhorbanent premiums in an attempt to get support for the repeal. Obviously it is working, but the better solution is to either fix and fund the ACA or go to single payer.

All of this other stuff, particularly what the GOP is trying to do is really deplorable.


What are these "fixes"? And please include how we pay for the fixes. Thanks.



Gee, there is a thing called google, why don't you read the myriad bills that have been presented over the past several years.

You mean the bills that say let's just give more health care to people even though we can't pay for it?


Ridiculous. Trillions of taxpayer dollars are going towards the war machine, led by an agency that routinely cannot account for trillions of dollars. Yet when healthcare comes up for discussion we are flat broke.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT2PV
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 10:46     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is there are fixes to the ACA which the Dems have been trying to address since 2013, but the GOP controlled Congress has refused to let any of them see the floor for a vote, instead choosing to make folks like the PP pay exhorbanent premiums in an attempt to get support for the repeal. Obviously it is working, but the better solution is to either fix and fund the ACA or go to single payer.

All of this other stuff, particularly what the GOP is trying to do is really deplorable.


What are these "fixes"? And please include how we pay for the fixes. Thanks.



Gee, there is a thing called google, why don't you read the myriad bills that have been presented over the past several years.

You mean the bills that say let's just give more health care to people even though we can't pay for it?
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 10:08     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:The GOP must really want to lose in 2020. This bill is the biggest stinker of them all. Let them pass it! Could be the best thing to ever happen to healthcare in the US long term.

I thought the bill wouldn't actually go into effect until 2027 or something...so voters won't be feeling any pain in 2020. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 09:34     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
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That is absolutely preposterous. The other PP was right. Obamacare is a piece of shit.

If Obama didn't want his signature legislation to be repealed as soon as he left office, he should have pushed a less shitty bill.


Obama tried to compromise with the GOP by adopting their solution with hundreds of GOP Amendments. Ironic that the GOP wants to repeal it now for something much worse.

Yes, in retrospect, I am sure everyone involved would have preferred if Obama had just pushed single payer.


It may be ironic, but it was utterly predictable.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 09:32     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:The ACA is terrible and it's embarrassing that people pretend to like it because they don't want to insult President Obama. We need single payer medicare for all and we need Democratic politicians to know we will vote them out if they don't agree.


Agree. Assuming the ACA is not repealed, I think, as time goes on and we are more distanced from Obama's presidency, people will drop the pretense and admit that the ACA largely sucks. (Without any real cost control mechanism, it never really stood a chance of not sucking.)
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 09:30     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
That is absolutely preposterous. The other PP was right. Obamacare is a piece of shit.

If Obama didn't want his signature legislation to be repealed as soon as he left office, he should have pushed a less shitty bill.


Obama tried to compromise with the GOP by adopting their solution with hundreds of GOP Amendments. Ironic that the GOP wants to repeal it now for something much worse.

Yes, in retrospect, I am sure everyone involved would have preferred if Obama had just pushed single payer.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 09:25     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP seems to forget that we've already been through this drill 50 times over the last 7 years.


OP here. This time feels different than the last 2. I don't count the other when Rs knew Obama would veto.


Why? If I'm not mistaken they've also attempted several repeal votes since Obama's been gone.


Because McCain is close to Graham and will vote for it this time.


And AZ gov supports. This time is different.